Re: [R_Catholic-L] The Holy Quran
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- Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 12:03:58 GMT
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From: Fadi <uicraptor2002@xxxxxxxxx>
Reply-To: r_catholic-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Once again I reiterate a miracle is defined by God
almighty and not by human interpretation.
How do you, as a human, _know_ that an event is a miracle? It cannot be
"because God says so". By definition a miracle is an act of God, and a speech
of God is an act of God; thus, if God speaks, that also is a miracle, and you
have done no more than prove one miracle by another. Your need is for a
miracle that can be proven miraculous _without_ citing God to authenticate it.
Fadi-Havent I answered the first question a million times already. A miracle
is divinely inspired when God says its a miracle from him. A miracle is
defined as the following :An event that appears inexplicable by the laws of
nature and so is held to be supernatural in origin or an act of God. Miracles
can come from somebody else from God. Miracles are open to human
interpretation. "Your need is for a miracle that can be proven miraculous
_without_ citing God to authenticate it."
No thats your need. My argument is that you cant prove a miracle is from God
unless you cite God.
Fadi-Arent all of God's miracles equally perfect. Or is one more
perfect than the other? Or if you dont agree with that what is the
greater miracle Gods words or His splitting of the red sea?
You argue in a circle. I have not yet accepted that the Quran _is_ God's
words. And it is nonsense to appeal to the Quran as an authority, when the
Quran's authority has been disputed.
Fadi-Thats human interpretation, for Muslims dont dispute the Qurans authority
but obviously people that dont agree with it are going to dispute it... thats
common sense. "And it is nonsense to appeal to the Quran as an authority, when
the Quran's authority has been disputed." So in retrospect it is nonsense to
appeal to the Bible as an authority, when the Bible's authority has been
disputed.
Fadi-
Since you are impressed by claims of unforgeability, I repeat a challenge I
made before: Imitate me. Produce a text that cannot be distinguished from
something I have written, but which is not a copy of anything I have written.
Fadi- what do I look like your maid? You cant prove anything in your little
circular game now you want me to do work for you to prove it. First of all if
I cared I would study and do it but alas I am having my surgery and soon will
be free from this agnoizing whirlwind of mumbo jumbo. But perhaps I can find
you someone that is qualified to do it.
Adios Muchacho
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