Re: December 25

?·R.L.Measures wrote:
> In article <1135615408.451700.275910@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
> roger_pearse@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>
> >=80=B7R.L.Measures wrote:
> >> In article <1135580354.960529.176330@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "Hugh
> >> Betcha" <gemond@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>
> >> >=3D80=3DB7R.L.Measures wrote:
> >> >> was Mithra's birthday celebration when Jesus was born c. 4BC.
> >> >
> >> >Nonsense. I'd be curious to see, however, any evidence you have of
> >> >Mithraism existing BEFORE Christianity... None? that's because it
> >> >didn't.=3D20
> >>
> >> =80=80 Mithraism was brought to Rome in 68 B.C. by captured pirates.
> >
> >No ancient source says this. The archaeology does not start until
> >100AD.
>
> *** If you Google it, you will find that Mithraism began in Persia c. 2000BC.

If you read what you google, you will find that this either does not
relate to Mithras, rather than the separate Zoroastrian Mitra; or that
the authors of the pages don't know what they are talking about.

> >> It proved to be especially popular with the Roman Army.
> >
> >The presence of Mithraea is documented in Roman army stations, would be
> >more accurate.
> >
> >> In order to attract Mithraists to Christianity, the Roman church
> >> adoped Mithraism's Sunday sabbath, the 25 December celebration
> >> of the God of the universe's birthday, the doctrine of a multi-personality
> >> diety, and a version of ritual cannibalistic sacrifice.
> >
> >There is no evidence that Christianity adopted anything from
> >Mithras, and loads against.
>
> *** On what day did Jesus celebrate Sabbat?

This seems to have no bearing on the comment made.

> >There is no evidence connecting Mithras with 25 Dec, nor the
> >'multi-personality' or other garbage.
> >
> >Since this poster has posted these exact same words before, and been
> >told this, yet is still posting it, you may infer his sincerity for
> >yourselves.
>
> *** History is your opponent, not I.

The word 'history' is not normally used to mean 'make-believe'.

> >> In 392, participation in Mithraist rituals became punishable by crucifixion.
> >
> >Evidence?
>
> ?? chortle

None? <sigh>

> >> Organized religion is like sausage in that those who love it should never
> >> try to find out how it was made.
> >
> >Better to mindlessly adopt the period values of the society one happens
> >to live in, eh? And then throw ignorant and dishonest stones at
> >others.
> >
> cheers, Roger the dodger

No answer? I thought not.

All the best,

Roger Pearse

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