Re: The Pursuit of Virtue
- From: "Joseph Geloso" <josephfg@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: 30 Sep 2005 23:19:27 -0700
maf1029 (©2001-2008) wrote:
> On 25 Sep 2005 17:33:41 -0700, the faaaaabulous supreme deity
> Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli, Ruler of the heavens and host of fab parties,
> opened the heavens and shone his light upon the wisdom of "Joseph
> Geloso" <josephfg@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> >
> >maf1029 (©2001-2008) wrote:
> >> On 20 Sep 2005 02:07:19 -0700, the faaaaabulous supreme deity
> >> Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli, Ruler of the heavens and host of fab parties,
> >> opened the heavens and shone his light upon the wisdom of "Joseph
> >> Geloso" <josephfg@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >maf1029 (©2001-2008) wrote:
> >> >> On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 10:11:54 +0200, the faaaaabulous supreme deity
> >> >> Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli, Ruler of the heavens and host of fab parties,
> >> >> opened the heavens and shone his light upon the wisdom of Daniel Hoehr
> >> >> <dhoehr@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >>
> >> >> >maf1029 (©2001-2008) schrieb:
> >> >> >> On 19 Sep 2005 02:33:35 -0700, the faaaaabulous supreme deity
> >> >> >> Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli, Ruler of the heavens and host of fab parties,
> >> >> >> opened the heavens and shone his light upon the wisdom of "Joseph
> >> >> >> Geloso" <josephfg@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>>Peter Davidson wrote:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>>"Joseph Geloso" <josephfg@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> >> >> >>>>news:1127023593.434103.103660@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>>Virtue would be entirely meaningless apart from God. <
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>If one can become virtuous without God, it is not meaningless, surely. And
> >> >> >>>>if that is not possible, why not?
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>It is not possible, because God is the source of all virtue.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> And since human beings are the source of God.......
> >> >> >
> >> >> >No.
> >> >>
> >> >> Human beings invented the concept. Oh, yes, we did.
> >> >
> >> >Exactly so. And those who worship such concepts are idolaters. Those
> >> >concepts are what are known as "gods."
> >>
> >> Uh-huh, and what am I going to say next?
> >>
> >> "Thank you for admitting that________________."
> >>
> >> >God is not a concept.
> >>
> >> Well, since this "God" construct exists only in the minds of his/her
> >> followers........ and since no one in the last 5000 years has provided
> >> any external proof of this "God" concept as a real being.....
> >> Keep in mind that I'm an outsider looking in.
> >
> >You are not. You are a lapsed Catholic.
>
> You misspelled "former Catholic/atheist."
You cannot remove from yourself the Sacramental Character of Baptism.
> And this is still not proof that your deity YHVH (as opposed to the
> other four -- Holy Spirit, Jesus, Mary, and Satan) exists outside the
> confines of your own mind. And hey -- there's is absolutely nothing
> wrong with that. It is within the boundaries of our own minds that
> such share-able items such as music, art, and animal husbandry are
> conceived.
> Of course, music, art, and animal husbandry can be shared with others
> and serve to make the world a better place in an observable, visceral,
> observable, replicable way.....
>
> >> >Saint Anselm explains quite lucidly that He is
> >> >greater than can be conceived. So no concept invented by any human can
> >> >possibly be Him.
> >>
> >> Except that that's all you've got.
> >
> >Except that it's not all I've got.
>
> Oh, well then --
> Thanks for offering to provide observable, replicable, testable,
> scientific, measurable proof of this alleged God construct outside
> your own mind.
> I eagerly await your reasoned response of said proof.
No.
>
> >I don't even bow down before any of
> >your so-called "gods." I don't worship concepts.
>
> Except for YHVH and the Holy Spirit, for whom you just offered to
> provide proof. And just for brevity, we'll go along with the fables
> about Jesus and Mary as actual alleged people.
> And we can leave out Satan, what with my already saying multiple times
> that you don't worship him.
>
> >> Ergo, virtue is also a man-made concept, that comes from humans, is
> >> regulated by humans, judged by humans, and marketed by humans. No
> >> "God" construct necessary.
> >> Now, here's the question for today:
> >>
> >> How can you re-work your essay to make it less "this applies to
> >> everyone because I said so even though I have no external, testable,
> >> replicable, observable proof" and more "this is what I believe, and it
> >> has helped me out a lot"?
> >> HINT: look at the second part and start your first rewritten sentence
> >> with the 1st person singular pronoun.
> >>
> >> ANOTHER FREE HINT: the 1st person singular pronoun is a homonym for
> >> the body part we use to see things.
> >
> >For some reason my original post is not showing up on Google. That's
> >very disturbing. I wonder why not?
>
> I don't know. Maybe check your newsreader and see if you accidentally
> set it to x-no-archive.
No, that's not it. I don't have that option available to me.
>
> >At any rate, that essay is part of a larger work. The theme of the work
> >is less, "this is what has helped me," and more, "this will help
> >anybody who puts it into practice."
>
> How sad.
Which is sadder, the fact that the Kingdom of Heaven is accessible to
all freely, or the fact that you yourself reject the Way?
.
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