Re: FAO Doug MacD - Europe is richer than US

<boltar2003@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 11:27:13 +0100
"DAB sounds worse than FM" <dab.is@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Secondly, to suggest that DVB-T2 and MPEG-4 H.264 are "technology
for
its own sake" is about as wrong as the type of things that Jamie
comes
out with!

Ultimately its the end result that matters, not how its produced. If
the end
product isn't any better then there is no point. At least from the
end
consumers point of view and in that case he/me has a right to be
rather
dubious.


I've had this kind of discussion with you numerous times in the past,
but it's like banging your head against a brick wall, because you
don't accept that making systems far more efficient inevitably
increases the likelihood that higher quailty will be delivered.

Let's take the example of DVB-T2 versus DAB. DVB-T2 is about 10 times
as efficient as DAB, which means that the transmission costs should be
10 times cheaper on DVB-T2 than on DAB. To put numbers to that,
instead of it costing £100k for a local DAB station it would cost £10k
per annum to provide the same level of audio quality. Or nationally it
would cost £100k instead of £1m. To me, it is blindingly obvious that
a broadcaster is far more likely to want to reduce teh bit rates in
order to save money when the transmission costs are £1m as opposed to
when they're £100k, but for some reason you don't accept this,
therefore there's no point in discussing it, because IMO for whatever
reason you're not thinking about it logically.


receivers in the same way DAB can, but DVB-T2 is literally 10 times
more efficient than DAB. If that is "technology for its own sake"
then
I'd hate to see what you'd say about a system that only provided a
marginal improvement in efficiency.

If they drop the bitrate so its sounds the same as DAB then frankly
who
cares? Its no good having a ferrari if it spends its life driving
along
streets with a 30mph limit.


There you go - a perfect example of why it's impossible to reason with
you, because you refuse to actually think about the situation
logically and just jump to the most cynical conclusion possible.


Also, MPEG-4 H.264 is double the efficiency of the MPEG-2 video
codec,
which means that with all else being equal broadcasters can halve
their transmission costs, which makes it more likely that they'll
deliver higher picture quality.

All else never is equal though. They'll probably go the HD route but
more
pixels doesn't necessarily mean better quality. From more than a few
feet away I can't tell the difference between a DVD and a blue ray
disk on
my 32 inch TV. However I can very much spot nasty mpeg blocking on
freeview
which never occurs on analogue.


See above.


Both DVB-T2 and MPEG-4 H.264 are excellent technologies that provide
both broadcasters and consumers great benefits.

I'm sure someone said the same about DVB-T when it first came out.
The
latest tech is always trumpeted as the best thing since Mrs Hovis
got out
the kitchen knife when it comes out. Personally I'll reserve
judgement.


See above.


--
Steve - www.savefm.org - stop the BBC bullies switching off FM

www.digitalradiotech.co.uk - digital radio news & info

"It is the sheer volume of online audio content available via
internet-connected devices which terrifies the UK radio industry. I
believe that broadband-delivered radio will explode in the years to
come, offering very local, unregulated content, as well as opening a
window to the radio stations of the world." - from the Myers Report


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