Re: But, What about this situation??
- From: Nomen Nescio <nobody@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 00:30:05 +0200 (CEST)
Truncat wrote:
I would personally not worry too much about downloading it is usually
posting what bothers the provider because posting may cause complaints but
downloading does not.
Agreed. However for the purposes of this particular discussion it's
important to remember that the OP was looking for "absolute security".
There's a difference between a little common sense "not worrying", and
the state of things when you truly need to be anonymous.
It is in Giganews own interest not to log anything because they save money
as keeping logs does cost dollars,
Actually just the opposite is true to a certain extent. Having run a
publicly accessible news server I can tell you right now that the
volume of complaints Giganews probably deals with consumes a
significant amount of time. Even from mere lurkers. Without at least
some basic logging many of those problems are an order of magnitude
harder to track down and solve. Logs don't cost anything at all to
generate, and they're only a trivial expense to retain. Assuming
"normal" logs and server operations of course.
then if you were to be so unfortunate
as to be the first persorn they prosecute, because I know of nobody else,
then you would be very quick posting messages in newsgroups and internet
forums explaining your case and Giganews will lose its business as it will
have been proved they log which until now nobody can proof.
This assumes that A) you know for a fact that Giganews logs played a
part in your "arrest" or whatever, and B) that you have that ability.
The most likely scenario is that said logs would be used to initiate
other investigations and any legal proceedings against you wouldn't
include any mention of Giga-anything. Indeed, why would LE expose such
a cash cow unless it was absolutely necessary? Giganews could have been
acting as a "confidential informant" since its inception and nobody
would be the wiser. Consider the NSA "wiretapping" fiasco of recent
fame. None of that information would have been use directly as grounds
for arrest or prosecution. No, that effort was purely an attempt to
weed out "terrorist" communications from the rest if you take it at
face value.
It's also pretty logical to assume that if you're caught with your hand
in the cookie jar, so to speak, your online activities are going to be
restricted and closely monitored. The penalty for whistleblowing could
be quite severe, and there's an almost certain chance that if you did
raise the flag your parole officer et al would know EXACTLY who did it.
Without some sort of detail, it would appear as though you were just
"trolling". Any details and it's obvious whose making the accusations.
I'm not calling Giganews a logger here, or making any accusations at
all. But it's important to realize that there's a huge difference
between assuming your occasional DVD download won't raise the ire of
your local LEO, and knowing that it doesn't matter because you're
securely anonymous.
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