Re: US 'accidentally' kills 9 Iraqi civilians

On Feb 5, 7:30 pm, snakehawk <snakeh...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Feb 5, 4:31 pm, Osiris88 <inde...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:



On Feb 5, 2:06 pm,snakehawk<snakeh...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Feb 5, 2:43 pm, PrivateParty <rdbyrn...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

spammer wrote:
On Feb 4, 12:02�am, Simpson <2-pa...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Is anyone surprised?

Did it actually happen? If it did, oops, there's a war on and
bad things happen during wars.

So true. The difference between the US killing civilians and Al Qaeda
killing civilians is the US REGRETS ITS ERROR.

So untrue. There is no war going on. It's an occupation. There are
no armies opposing U.S. forces anywhere in the Middle East. U.S.
soldiers are killing civilians. You can call them insurgents,
militants, rebels, terrorists, al Quaeda, or any other propaganda term
you can dream up. But they are all civilians--and an incredible
number of the hundreds of thousands killed so far are women and
children.

The United States is illegally occupying a foreign nation. You can
conjure up any justification that pleases you, but you can't change
the simple facts. In order to continue the occupation, U.S. forces
must use military weapons to suppress any civilian opposition. They
must use military force against disorganized groups of civilians who
feel obligated to fight invaders who have taken over their country and
their government, divided their country into ethnic enclaves, and are
seeking to control the natural resources of their nation.

We are all certain that people like you "REGRET" having to kill
civilians to achieve your goal of taking over and completely
controlling their country. We are all certain that you would much
prefer that the occupied people simply surrender their rights, their
country, their wealth to your demands. Well, if it makes you feel
better, be assured that the people of Iraq "REGRET" having to employ
car bombs, roadside bombs, and sniper rifles to kill the well armed
and protected U.S. soldiers, just like the U.S. "REGRETS" having to
kill unarmed women and children with cannon fire and air-to-ground
missiles. But try to understand that the Iraqe people also have goals..

Your ignorant display is a scintillating example of why I'm no longer
a liberal.

You malleable idiots stopped being liberal the moment the media
propagandists started promoting war.


Incorrect. I felt the war was not needed right then. My perspective
is that we are in it now whether people think we should have invaded
or not. Live in the present.

First of all, Iraqis are worried about us leaving because of the
potential for complete descent into chaos. Yes, believe it or not, it
can actually get a lot worse over there than it is now.

You believe that only because the media tells you so.

No media tells me what to think. In fact I work in the media so I am
immune to tricks regarding how information is spread.

Millions of
Iraqis have been made homeless. Hundreds of thousands have died.

True.

Their pseudo-leaders, chosen in a carefully orchestrated election,
have been carefully selected and approved by invading foreigners.
Millions of Iraqi citizens have been forced out of their own country.
Those still living in Iraq have been forcefully moved around into
ethnically homogenous sections.


When dealing with a civil war, it is not a surprise that people are
divided. We are not the cause of that violence. We didn't make them
distrust one another.


Their power plants have been bombed by alien aircraft and they have a
few hours of electricity each day. Their water treatment plants have
been reduced to rubble by foreign aircraft and they have little
drinkable water. They have no newspapers, no internet, no
transportation, no employment, and they are forced to use money
provided by the occupiers because their own currency has been rendered
worthless. But gullible idiots in the United States still insist that
the Iraqis want the invaders to stay on.



All of those problems you mentioned are caused by conflict. The
people who don't want Iraq to create its own destiny create
destruction in an effort to take down the government. I'm sure the
Iraqis don't want to be occupied, who does? But the word occupation
suggests we are not there to help them get on their feet, but to
control them. Iraq has a government and they are telling the US what
they want. The infrastructure of Iraq is not going to improve if we
let the country fall into the abyss, it will get worse and there will
be no hope.

Second, the people we are fighting against are anything but
disorganized. They are organized into militias and units that
infiltrate police and military forces and have support from outside
the country. They are savvy. There is more than one conflict going
on and the reason we remain is to hold up the government so extremist
or terrorist elements can't gain an advantage and cause that weak
government to collapse.

Of course, giving the new government weapons and the means to quell
violence is out of the question to people who want to control the
country. Those "militias" have no armor, no artillery, no air power.
They are civilians with shoulder arms, desperate men joining together
in any way they can to fight the invaders. If the United States wants
the new government to be strong, simply give them the equipment to be
strong--then get the hell out of there.


Well, I hope we do that. But it's a long process. The reason the
Sunnis are desperate is because they are a minority that abused power
and who don't like the notion of Iraq having any type of
representative government. One of the reasons it takes so long is
because of ethnic strife and the infiltration of police and military
forces. This is quite difficult to deal with. Without police and
military forces being backed by the US, it is unlikely they can ever
get a real grip over the violence.


But, of course, that would mean Iraq would be independent, free to do
as it pleases, and that would not fit into the plans of the Bush cabal
to enslave and empoverish the Iraqi nation, now would it?

The occupied people you claim to care about did not have rights or
wealth under Saddam Hussein, now they have an opportunity. Solely
thanks to the United States and other countries that you hate who
decided that it's never the wrong time to do the right thing.

You are just reciting the standard pro-war propaganda. Before the U.S.
invaded, Iraq was the most secular nation the middle east where
religious clerics had no authority, women wore western dress, drove
automobiles, and held professional positions. Iraqi enjoyed free
education and medical care. Iraqi cities were clean and orderly.
They enjoyed clean water, sewage, cheap electric power, good roads,
and plentiful fuel for the automobiles that jammed the city streets.
Now look at the place. Look at what you murderous warmongers have
done to the most modern and civilized country in the middle east.


Secular, sure. Free? No. Were they allowed to criticize authority
without fear of death? No. Were they allowed to vote against
Saddam? No. And here you are acting self righteous, acting like you
give a damn about Iraqis, and then saying they were better off living
in in a brutal dictatorship.


You, on

the other hand, condemn the Iraqis by suggesting they were better off
under the iron fist of Saddam Hussein. The insurgents (look up the
word, fella:www.dictionary.com) and terrorist hide behind women and
children which is why civilians get killed but, even more so than
that, those same groups target their own citizens in bombing attacks
on mosques and other public areas like large outdoor markets. In
fact, the folks you have so much sympathy for are using mentally
retarded people as suicide bombers now.

Why do you only care about Iraqis who are killed by Muslims but lift
your nose at the hundreds of thousands who have been killed by U.S.
jet fighters, helicopter gunships and artillery? Do you people make
some kind of distinction between innocent victims of different vicious
murderers?


There were not hundreds of thousands killed by American strikes. Get
your facts in order. Most of the violence in Iraq is done by those
who want Iraq to fail and who don't Iraqis to be democratic.

You should look up our history with Iraq and also why we had a
relationship with them. Iraq launched missiles into Israel, invaded
Kuwait over oil, and sent combat forces into Saudi Arabia.

Iraq was threatening no one when the U.S. sent in the bombers. Bush
had to lie through his teeth to justify his unprovoked attack. It was
pure greedy aggression.


Wow. You really don't know about this subject. Read something
someday, please.


They were

a threat whether at one moment in time Saddam had WMD or not. He had
them and used them, and there was NO reason to assume he wouldn't try
to possess them once again.
You don't understand it right now, but one day, when you grow up,
you'll understand that the responsibility the US has in the world is
much larger than any single president or administration.

One day, when you wake from your propaganda twisted trance, you will
understand that the primary purpose of the United States government is
to look to the welfare of the people of the United States, to protect
them, to insure their prosperty, and not to send young U.S. soldiers
thousands of miles away to slaughter the enemies of some little rat's
nest called Israel.

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