Re: Ooooopppssss!!!! It's about that "record re-freezing of Arctic ice"

On Dec 24, 1:12 pm, miles <n...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
SilentOtto wrote:
The scientific community has already accounted for your objections.

They've done no such thing.

Sure they have. Study up on particle emissions and the effect they
have on sunlight reaching the earth.

Only a bunch of unproven guesses with
enough buzzwords to convince those such as yourself. Your so called
scientists change their story every few years when their theories do not
pan out.

Yea...

That's what science does...

You know...

Formulate theories to fit the data.

That's way different than what rightards do, form theories to fit the
bottom line on their profit sheets.


I'm satisfied that the broad consensus of scientists who support
global warming theory know far more about climate science than
rightards like you or Rush.

Broad consensus of scientists that agree with your politically biased
beliefs. You discount and discredit any scientists consensus who disagrees.

There ISN'T a consensus that disagrees.

Do you even know what consensus means, rightard?

As to discrediting individual scientists, I leave that up to the
scientific community.

They're doing a pretty good job of exposing their misrepresentations,
lies and suspicious sources of funding of the "scientists" who dispute
global warming.

It ain't pretty.

Rightards, like you, try and pretend that we've not seen this same
game played before, over and over again.

I remember all the tobacco industry executives all testifying before
congress in the early eighties, along with their paid corporate
scientists, that nicotine wasn't addictive.

Do you?

The science concerning the addictive properties of nicotine was well
established by then.

You don't suppose they were LYING when they said that they didn't
believe nicotine was addicting, do you?

The energy industry is playing the same game now.

Read this:

Global Climate Science Communications
Action Plan
Project Goal
A majority of the American public, including industry leadership,
recognizes that significant uncertainties exist in climate science,
and therefore raises questions among those (e.g. Congress) who chart
the future U.S. course on global climate change.

Progress will be measured toward the goal. A measurement of the
public's perspective on climate science will be taken before the plan
is launched, and the same measurement will be taken at one or more as-
yet-to-be-determined intervals as the plan is implemented,
Victory Will Be Achieved When

* Average citizens "understand" (recognize) uncertainties in
climate science; recognition of uncertainties becomes part of the
"conventional wisdom"
* Media "understands" (recognizes) uncertainties in climate
science
* Media coverage reflects balance on climate science and
recognition of the validity of viewpoints that challenge the current
"conventional wisdom"
* Industry senior leadership understands uncertainties in climate
science, making them stronger ambassadors to those who shape climate
policy
* Those promoting the Kyoto treaty on the basis of extent science
appears to be out of touch with reality.

Current Reality

Unless "climate change" becomes a non-issue, meaning that the Kyoto
proposal is defeated and there are no further initiatives to thwart
the threat of climate change, there may be no moment when we can
declare victory for our efforts. It will be necessary to establish
measurements for the science effort to track progress toward achieving
the goal and strategic success.
Strategies and Tactics

I. National Media Relations Program: Develop and implement a national
media relations program to inform the media about uncertainties in
climate science; to generate national, regional and local media
coverage on the scientific uncertainties, and thereby educate and
inform the public, stimulating them to raise questions with policy
makers.

Tactics: These tactics will be undertaken between now and the next
climate meeting in Buenos Aires/Argentina, in November 1998, and will
be continued thereafter, as appropriate. Activities will be launched
as soon as the plan is approved, funding obtained, and the necessary
resources (e.g., public relations counsel) arranged and deployed. In
all cases, tactical implementation will be fully integrated with other
elements of this action plan, most especially Strategy II (National
Climate Science Data Center).

Identify, recruit and train a team of five independent scientists to
participate in media outreach. These will be individuals who do not
have a long history of visibility and/or participation in the climate
change debate. Rather, this team will consist of new faces who will
add their voices to those recognized scientists who already are vocal.

* Develop a global climate science information kit for media
including peer-reviewed papers that undercut the "conventional
wisdom"on climate science. This kit also will include understandable
communications, including simple fact sheets that present scientific
uncertainties in language that the media and public can understand.
* Conduct briefings by media-trained scientists for science
writers in the top 20 media markets, using the information kits.
Distribute the information kits to daily newspapers nationwide with
offer of scientists to brief reporters at each paper. Develop,
disseminate radio news releases featuring scientists nationwide, and
offer scientists to appear on radio talk shows across the country.
* Produce, distribute a steady stream of climate science
information via facsimile and e-mail to science writers around the
country.
* Produce, distribute via syndicate and directly to newspapers
nationwide a steady stream of op-ed columns and letters to the editor
authored by scientists.
* Convince one of the major news national TV journalists (e.g.,
John Stossel ) to produce a report examining the scientific
underpinnings of the Kyoto treaty.
* Organize, promote and conduct through grassroots organizations a
series of campus/community workshops/debates on climate science in 10
most important states during the period mid-August through October,
1998.
* Consider advertising the scientific uncertainties in select
markets to support national, regional and local (e.g., workshops /
debates), as appropriate.



National Media Program Budget -- $600,000 plus paid advertising

II. Global Climate Science Information Source: Develop and implement a
program to inject credible science and scientific accountability into
the global climate debate, thereby raising questions about and
undercutting the "prevailing scientific wisdom." The strategy will
have the added benefit of providing a platform for credible,
constructive criticism of the opposition's position on the science.

Tactics: As with the National Media Relations Program, these
activities will be undertaken between now and the next climate meeting
in Buenos Aires, Argentina, in November 1998, and will continue
thereafter. Initiatives will be launched as soon as the plan is
approved, funding obtained, and the necessary resources arranged and
deployed.

* Establish a Global Climate Science Data Center. The GCSDC will
be established in Washington as a non-profit educational foundation
with an advisory board of respected climate scientists. It will be
staffed initially with professionals on loan from various companies
and associations with a major interest in the climate issue. These
executives will bring with them knowledge and experience in the
following areas.

* Overall history of climate research and the IPCC process;

* Congressional relations and knowledge of where individual
Senators stand on the climate issue;

* Knowledge of key climate scientists and where they stand;

* Ability to identify and recruit as many as 20 respected
climate scientists to serve on the science advisory board;

* Knowledge and expertise in media relations and with
established relationships with science and energy writers, columnists
and editorial writers;

* Expertise in grassroots organization; and

* Campaign organization and administration.

The GCSDC will be led by dynamic senior executive with a major
personal commitment to the goals of the campaign and easy access to
business leaders at the CEO level. The Center will be run on a day-to-
day basis by an executive director with responsibility for ensuring
targets are met. The Center will be funded at a level that will permit
it to succeed, including funding for research contracts that may be
deemed appropriate to fill gaps in climate science (e.g., a complete
scientific critique of the IPCC research and its conclusions).

* The GCSDC will become a one-stop resource on climate science for
members of Congress, the media, industry and all others concerned. It
will be in constant contact with the best climate scientists and
ensure that their findings and views receive appropriate attention. It
will provide them with the logistical and moral support they have been
lacking. In short, it will be a sound scientific alternative to the
IPCC. Its functions will include:

* Providing as an easily accessible database (including a
website) of all mainstream climate science information.

* Identifying and establishing cooperative relationships with
all major scientists whose research in this field supports our
position.

* Establishing cooperative relationships with other mainstream
scientific organizations (e.g., meteorologists, geophysicists) to
bring their perspectives to bear on the debate, as appropriate.

* Developing opportunities to maximize the impact of
scientific views consistent with ours with Congress, the media and
other key audiences.

* Monitoring and serving as and early warning system for
scientific developments with the potential to impact on the climate
science debate, pro and con.

* Responding to claims from the scientific alarmists and
media.

* Providing grants for advocacy on climate science, as deemed
appropriate.

Global Climate Science Data Center Budget --- $5,000,000 (Spread over
two years minimum)

III. National Direct Outreach and Education: Develop and implement a
direct outreach program to inform and educate members of Congress,
state officials, industry leadership, and school teachers/students
about uncertainties in climate science. This strategy will enable
Congress, state officials and industry leaders will be able to raise
such serious questions about the Kyoto treaty's scientific
underpinnings that American policy-makers not only will refuse to
endorse it, they will seek to prevent progress toward implementation
at the Buenos Aires meeting in November or through other ways.
Informing teachers/students about uncertainties in climate science
will begin to erect a barrier against further efforts to impose Kyoto-
like measures in the future.

Tactics: Informing and educating members of Congress, state officials
and industry leaders will be undertaken as soon as the plan is
approved, funding is obtained, and the necessary resources are arrayed
and will continue through Buenos Aires and for the foreseeable future.
The teachers/students outreach program will be developed and launched
in early 1999. In all cases, tactical implementation will be fully
integrated with other elements of this action plan.

* Develop and conduct through the Global Climate Science Data
Center science briefings for Congress, governors, state legislators,
and industry leaders by August 1998.

* Develop information kits on climate science targeted
specifically at the needs of government officials and industry
leaders, to be used in conjunction with and separately from the in-
person briefings to further disseminate information on climate science
uncertainties and thereby arm these influentials to raise serious
questions on the science issue.

* Organize under the GCSDC a "Science Education Task Group" that
will serve as the point of outreach to the National Science Teachers
Association (NSTA) and other influential science education
organizations. Work with NSTA to develop school materials that present
a credible, balanced picture of climate science for use in classrooms
nationwide.

* Distribute educational materials directly to schools and through
grassroots organizations of climate science partners (companies,
organizations that participate in this effort).

National Direct Outreach Program Budget ---- $300,000

IV. Funding/Fund Allocation: Develop and implement program to obtain
funding, and to allocate funds to ensure that the program is carried
out effectively.

Tactics: This strategy will be implemented as soon as we have the go-
ahead to proceed.

* Potential funding sources were identified as American Petroleum
Institute (API) and its members; Business Round Table (BRT) and its
members, Edison Electric Institute (EEI) and its members; Independent
Petroleum Association of America (IPAA) and its members; and the
National Mining Association (NMA) and its members.

* Potential fund allocators were identified as the American
Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), Committee For A Constructive
Tomorrow (CFACT), Competitive Enterprise Institute , Frontiers of
Freedom and The Marshall Institute.

Total Funds Required to Implement Program through November 1998 ----
$2,000,000 ( A significant portion of funding for the GCSDC will be
deferred until 1999 and beyond)
Measurements
Various metrics will be used to track progress. These measurements
will have to be determined in fleshing out the action plan and may
include:

* Baseline public / government official opinion surveys and
periodic follow-up surveys on the percentage of Americans and
government officials who recognize significant uncertainties in
climate science.
* Tracking the percent of media articles that raise questions
about climate science.
* Number of Members of Congress exposed to our materials on
climate science.
* Number of communications on climate science received by Members
of Congress from their constituents.
* Number of radio talk show appearances by scientists questioning
the "prevailing wisdom" on climate science.
* Number of school teachers / students reached with our
information on climate science.
* Number of science writers briefed and who report upon climate
science uncertainties.
* Total audience exposed to newspaper, radio, television coverage
of science uncertainties."

END:


That entire memo is dedicated to the tactic of creating the impression
that there is controversy where none really exists, and they're
spending a hell of a lot of money to do so.

And, YOU fell for it.

Hook...

Line...

And sinker...

What the hell does Rush have to do with this?

He tells rightards, like you, what you think.

And don't even bother denying it.

I've seen his insidious influence on rightards in these groups for
years.

He is an entertainer.

He's a LIAR.

Geez, if it's not Rush it's Fox or Bush or anyone else you can throw out
in stereotypical fashion.

Their stereotypes have been earned and are well deserved.

I bet you believe that there is controversy about evolution too...

I have no idea where you're going with this one.

No?

Not too bright, are you?

I personally believe
in evolution but many don't so I suppose you're correct in your assumption.

I bring it up because the religious right is using the exact same
tactics as the oil industry, even down to the "lists of scientists",
in an effort to create the impression that there is a scientific
controversy over the Theory of Evolution.

http://www.discovery.org/articleFiles/PDFs/100ScientistsAd.pdf

This statement was presented along with the signatures of 100
"scientists" who supported it.

"WE ARE SKEPTICAL OF CLAIMS FOR THE ABILITY OF RANDOM MUTATION AND
NATURAL SELECTION TO ACCOUNT FOR THE COMPLEXITY OF LIFE. CAREFUL
EXAMINATION OF THE EVIDENCE FOR DARWINIAN THEORY SHOULD BE
ENCOURAGED."

The list was put forward to further the idea that there was a great
deal of controversy within the scientific community concerning the
Theory of Evolution.

The problem?

There is NO scientific controversy about the Theory of Evolution, and
hasn't been for a very long time.

But, that didn't stop the religious right from trying to pretend that
there is such controversy, as their list demonstrates.

The response from evolutionary biologists was to present a statement
of their own:

"Evolution is a vital, well-supported, unifying principle of the
biological sciences, and the scientific evidence is overwhelmingly in
favor of the idea that all living things share a common ancestry.
Although there are legitimate debates about the patterns and processes
of evolution, there is no serious scientific doubt that evolution
occurred or that natural selection is a major mechanism in its
occurrence. It is scientifically inappropriate and pedagogically
irresponsible for creationist pseudoscience, including but not limited
to "intelligent design," to be introduced into the science curricula
of our nation's public schools."

Then they got scientists who agreed with the above statement to sign
it.

Only to demonstrate just how lopsided the debate is in reality, they
only allowed scientists who were named "Steve" to sign it.

The result?

Last I heard, they had over eight-hundred scientists named "Steve" who
had signed the statement.

When it comes to global warming, the "debate" within the community of
climate scientists is EQUALLY LOPSIDED.

As I've said, I've seen the tactics that energy producers are using
before, many many times.

Different wolf, but the same sheep's clothing.

Now, rightard...

You best get busy.

You've a lot of snipping to do.








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