Re: Dimwitted Bush states that everyone has healthcare: "you can just go to the emergency room"


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Of course, the dimwit seemingly forgets that by the time someone
has
to go to the emergency room for what could have been
non-emergency
illnesses, it costs as much as 10 times more to treat them.

For non-emergency health care you can just go to a doctor. My
doctor
charges about $65 for a visit. How much does your doctor charge?

Brilliant, you fucking chimp in a suit. Brilliant.

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The president's speech in Cleveland yesterday wasn't just a
bizarre
defense for the status quo in Iraq; it managed to also include
some
bizarre ideas about healthcare. This gem, for example, won the
coveted
Clueless Quote of the Day from Dan Froomkin.

"The immediate goal is to make sure there are more people on
private
insurance plans. I mean, people have access to health care in
America.
After all, you just go to an emergency room."

Kevin asks, "Did somebody actually write that line for him? Was
it
adlibbed?" In fact, it was the latter; Bush's event was kind of
a
town-
hall style speech. He didn't have a podium or a teleprompter, so
this
was the president without a net. His comments on healthcare
reflected
whatever thought popped into his head.

Kevin added, "Does Bush really believe that emergency rooms are
a
great way of providing medical care for poor people?"

Actually, I think he might.

It didn't get too much attention at the time, but three years
ago,
then-HHS Secretary Tommy Thompson (you know, the supposed
presidential
candidate?) visited Iraq to drop off $1 billion to help
establish a
universal healthcare system for Iraqis. Pesky congressional Dems
asked
why the administration opposes universal care in the U.S., while
supporting a system in Iraq.

Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy Thompson said
yesterday
there are major differences between the two countries that defy
simple
comparisons.

"Even if you don't have health insurance," said Thompson, who
toured
medical facilities in the Iraqi cities of Baghdad and Tikrit on
Saturday and Sunday, "you are still taken care of in America.
That
certainly could be defined as universal coverage."

He didn't specifically mention emergency rooms, but the
implication
was pretty obvious, just as the president's comments were
yesterday:
in the United States, sick people receive care whether they have
insurance or not, which necessarily makes our system
"universal."

In a sense, that's true. If you're sick, there are public
hospitals
that will treat you in an emergency room. Of course, it's
extremely
expensive to treat ill patients in this way and it would be far
cheaper to pay for preventative care so that people don't have
to
wait
for a medical emergency to go to the hospital.

Under the Bush administration model, a sick person with no
insurance
goes to the emergency room for treatment. Does he get a bill
once
he's
taken care of? Probably, but it doesn't matter because he can't
afford
to pay it.

If the patient can't pay the bill and hospital can't treat sick
patients for free, who pays the medical bill? Everyone else.

Yes, everyone pays, everyone gets treatment. Bush and his team
support
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Um, dumb***, that's just the consultation fee. Dosen't include
any
tests or medications or seeing a specialist.

Why am I explaining this to you? Even a half-wit such as yourself
should know these things.

Nice try, though. Next time try harder.

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Same difference between $200 and $65? Where'd you learn your math,
genius?

Ya, they are both easily affordable.







Oh, by the way, I work for a healthcare company. Have access to
massive amounts of data. I just pulled up the "capitation rate" for
one of our plans. This is the monthly payment rate that we get for a
typical enrollee in one of our plans. You know how much that is?
About $200. Per person. Per month. For your ignorant ass, that's
$2400 / year. Now, if you knew anything about healthcare, which you
don't, you's assume that 85% or so of that amount is intended for
patient care. That means that $2040 per year is the expected medical
cost of that patient per year. This is a typical state - not low, not
high. And this is based on a Medicaid reimbursement plan, which is
the absolute lowest common denominator in terms of rates physicians
will accept. Commercial plans will be 1-2 times higher. Doesn't
include drug costs.

So, do you have the $3000 or so to spend on annual medical costs,
based on an "average" person's utilization of health care services?
No, I didn't think you did.

You forget to account for the fact that typical utilzation rate for the
health plan you mention is about 10%. which means the annual cost is
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You don't know what the *** you're talking about, do you? I love
when morons throw terms around like "utilization rate" that they have
no clue what it means. You don't "utilize" dollars spent you
"utilize" medical services. And about 85% of every capitation dollar
is spent on the utiliztation of medical servcies, dumb***.

Keep trying.


A capitated program has nothing to do with what a consumer spends on
healthcare.


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If you want healthcare to cost less, stop gay sex, smoking tobacco,
drinking alchohol, speeding, violence and frivilous lawsuits!!!

JC


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