Re: Tip of the Iceberg

On May 9, 10:39 am, "Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bast...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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On May 8, 10:47 am, "Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bast...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"Lars Eighner" <use...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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In our last episode, <x4I%h.1664$py5.1@trnddc06>, the lovely and
talented
Patriot Games broadcast on alt.politics:
"Lars Eighner" <use...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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In our last episode,
<HpJ_h.19$vX4.7@trnddc05>,
the lovely and talented Patriot Games
broadcast on alt.politics:
"Lars Eighner" <use...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Vitamin C is not manufactured in the US anymore. The ingredient
supposed
to
be Vitamin C in vitamins for humans and as a food additive for
human
consumption is imported from China. No one is inspecting these
imports.
Great going Homeland Security! Heck of a job!
Is it possible for you to be THIS stupid?
Feel free to explain how anyone inspects a PILL.
Well, in the first place, the imports are generally powders which are
then
used as ingredients in many food stuffs and vitamin pills.
Cite?
This is news to you? Evidently "troglodyte" isn't just a figure of
speech
for you politics.
<http://www.tahoebonanza.com/article/20070506/Opinion/105060048>
<http://www.star-telegram.com/245/story/91037.html>
Same article, same author. Doesn't answer the question.
<http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070506/ZNYT...>
Doesn't address the question.
Find a source for your claim that ascorbic acid in powder form is shipped
from China INSTEAD OF finished pills
Sampling of pills can be conducted too. It don't matter what form crap
from red China comes in.

Then we'd have to sample every Lot....

The lack of safeguards for americans' health is outrageous and
*unnacceptable*.

I can't argue that...

The FDA's budget has been reduced every budget - over the last ten
years... while crap from third world crapholes has been flooding in in
ever increasing quantities.

I can't argue that...

That melamine (plasticizer) crap was knowingly added to chinese
imported grain flour.. totally destroying the kidneys of tens of
thousands of US pets..

Knowingly?

Yes, knowingly.
Melamine is a handy artificial source of nitrogen..
The presence of the additonal nitrogen in the flour is (naturally)
indicative of higher protein grain..
The rufous-chinks were dosing the grain to fake out the quality
tests.

Additional info for educational purposes:
"Contaminated meal fed to local hatchery fish
The same melamine associated with pet food recalls found its way into
fish farms
May 09, 2007

WASHINGTON - Young fish at two Jackson County hatcheries likely joined
farmed fish across the country that have been fed meal spiked with the
same chemical that has been linked to the massive pet food recall, but
the contamination was probably too low to harm anyone who ate the
fish, officials said Tuesday.

The Canadian-made meal included what was purported to be wheat gluten,
a protein source, imported from China. The material was actually wheat
flour spiked by the chemical melamine and related nitrogen-rich
compounds to make it appear more protein rich than it was, officials
said.

After pigs and chickens, the farmed fish mark the third food animal
given contaminated feed. The level of contamination is expected to be
too low to pose any danger to human health, said Dr. David Acheson,
the FDA's assistant commissioner for food protection.

Tests by the Oregon Department of Agriculture revealed the melamine in
the feed at the state-run Marion Forks Hatchery in Idanha, said Steve
Williams, administrator of the Oregon Department of Fish and
Wildlife's Fish Division.

That feed, which was bought from the Canadian-based Skretting Co., was
from a batch also sent to Cole Rivers Hatchery on the upper Rogue
River, the Butte Falls Hatchery and four other hatcheries, Williams
said.

It was fed to more than 2 million young chinook salmon and rainbow
trout at Cole Rivers Hatchery along the upper Rogue River, along with
30,000 rainbow trout at Butte Falls Hatchery, Williams said.

Williams said the agency has no plan to kill or remove the fish from
those hatcheries, but agency officials will keep consulting with the
FDA and state agricultural officials about these fishes' future.

"All these fish still are on station," Williams said. "We intend to
move forward. As we learn more, we'll make those decisions."

In all, the seven state-run hatcheries in Oregon bought about 4,800
pounds of the Sketters feed, Williams said. Cole Rivers workers fed
all 1,800 pounds of it to its fish, while Butte Falls Hatchery workers
fed all but 5 pounds of the 180 pounds of Sketters food.

It wasn't immediately clear if any of the commercially farmed fish
that were fed the contaminated feed entered the food supply. However,
Acheson said at least one firm's fish were still too young and small
to be sold. Investigators were visiting other U.S. aquaculture farms
that used the contaminated feed. Farmed fish typically are sold for
direct consumption or for stocking lakes and streams.

The head of a St. Louis company said it brokered a deal to import
nearly 353,000 pounds of the Chinese wheat gluten that went directly
to a Canadian aquaculture feed ingredient company called Westaqua.
Listings for Canadian fish meal producers include a company called
Westaqua Commodity Group Ltd.

When reached by telephone, the president of Westaqua Commodity Group
Ltd., based in Vancouver, B.C., declined to talk about the matter.

"I can't talk to you about that today," Kelly Mills said, adding:
"We're not talking to the press about this issue."

Melamine, a chemical found in plastics and pesticides and not approved
for use in pet or human food in the U.S., contaminated pet food that
either sickened or killed an unknown number of dogs and cats. Since
March 16, more than 100 brands of pet food have been recalled because
they were contaminated with melamine.

Acheson said fish samples would be screened for signs of melamine.
"Depending upon what we find in that testing, that is going to drive
the next steps," Acheson said.

Canadian officials are aware of the finding, Acheson said.

"We used it to make pet food. They used it to make fish meal," he told
reporters.

Federal health and food officials have said some 20 million chickens
and thousands of hogs also were fed feed contaminated by melamine. As
with the fish, they said the risk to human health is very low.

U.S. investigators also have learned that the purported Chinese wheat
gluten and a second ingredient, rice protein concentrate, were
actually simple wheat flour. The flour was spiked with melamine and
related, nitrogen-rich compounds to make it appear more protein rich
than it was. In tests, nitrogen levels are measured to gauge the
overall protein content of food ingredients.

"What we discovered is these are not wheat gluten and rice protein
concentrate but in fact are wheat flour contaminated by melamine,"
Acheson said.

The FDA is considering enforcement options, he added. The ingredients
came from two Chinese firms: Xuzhou Anying Biologic Technology
Development Co. and Futian Biology Technology Co. Ltd.

The supposed wheat gluten was exported directly from China to Canada
in a deal brokered by a U.S. company, ChemNutra Inc., Acheson said.
ChemNutra also supplied the ingredient to a Canadian dog and cat food
company, Menu Foods, that's since recalled dozens of brands.

Steve Stern, a ChemNutra spokesman, said the Las Vegas company
actually only cobrokered the deal to supply wheat gluten to the fish
meal producer: "We never owned it, we never sold it."

Edmund Collins, president of Diversified Ingredients Inc., later said
it was his St. Louis company that handled the deal, with Westaqua
receiving the wheat gluten directly from China last July and August.
Collins said his company has provided the FDA with information, but
added no one in return has indicated the ingredient tested positive
for melamine. Acheson said only that the chemical was found in fish
meal. "We have not been alerted and we have been very up front on
this," Collins said.

When asked why ChemNutra didn't disclose previously that it played a
part in that deal, Stern said the company did notify the FDA in mid
April. However, the company chose not to include the co-brokered
shipment in an April 2 recall of the wheat gluten it had imported for
use in pet food - again because it hadn't sold the ingredient, Stern
said.

Menu Foods has said it faces more than 50 lawsuits. It in turn has
sued ChemNutra. And the FDA has searched facilities belonging to both
companies."

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