Re: WHY DID GLOBAL WARMING BECOME A MORAL MATTER?

On Mar 26, 9:43 pm, Captain Compassion <dar...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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On 26 Mar 2007 20:14:08 -0700, "American Jesus" <z...@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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On Mar 26, 8:35 pm, Captain Compassion <dar...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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On 26 Mar 2007 18:32:28 -0700, "American Jesus" <z...@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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On Mar 26, 9:01 am, Captain Compassion <dar...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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WHY DID GLOBAL WARMING BECOME A MORAL MATTER?
American Thinker, 23 March 2007
By Tim Thorstensonhttp://www.americanthinker.com/printpage/?url=http://www.americanthin...

As a scientist, I find the current strategy of the global warming
crusade to be fascinating. Particularly because I am a scientist, I
also find it insulting. Everyone should find it very disturbing.

I am referring to the fact that the global warming issue is now
regarded as a "moral" matter by its advocates. None other than The
High Priest of Global Warming (Al Gore) has decreed it as such. Of
course, there is some obvious humor in this because the liberals will
also tell you that you "cannot legislate morality". Well, it does not
take complicated logic to conclude that if global warming is indeed a
moral matter and if it is true that you cannot legislate morality,
then it should hold that you cannot legislate global warming.

But making funny distracts us from a deeper concern that should worry
anyone who wants to see the truth remain relevant in the matters that
face our society. To see this deeper danger, let us forget about
global warming for just a moment and consider morality in very general
terms.

There are numerous ways to define morality, but one that is
particularly helpful here is to regard morality as the "lens" through
which one views the facts. Morality should not be used to simply deny
the facts; and people who really understand morality do not use it
that way. Rather, they use morality to put the facts in a proper
context. Morality tells them "what to make of the facts".

This sounds a little abstract, so consider a practical example:

Let us assume that Bob has just shot George dead with a shotgun and
that this is an undeniable fact supported by overwhelming evidence.
Now, one could use a moral argument to suggest that the shooting was
justified as an act of self-defense. Alternately, one could also use a
moral argument to insist that the shooting was cold-blooded murder.
But one cannot use a moral argument to insist that the shooting simply
did not happen. In other words, moral considerations influence how we
view the facts and can be used to argue "what we should make of the
facts", but they cannot be used to literally change or deny the facts.
Whether a claimed fact is indeed true should be a purely intellectual
question, rather than a moral one.

Now consider, in contrast, how "morality" is being employed by global
warming advocates like Al Gore:

For many years, global warming seemed to be a fact-focused debate. But
a persistent problem for the advocates has been dissenting scientific
opinion. Some very reputable scientists hold that global warming may
be attributed to natural phenomena like the intensity of solar
radiation.

Others have valid questions about how much warming will actually occur
and how severe the resulting effects will really be. Still others
suggest that, if the problem is indeed real and serious, then serious
responses are indicated. These folks propose an honest examination of
real solutions (like a renewed emphasis on nuclear power) instead of
the childish games of useless treaties, carbon credits, windmills and
fluorescent light bulbs that seem to enamor so many of the advocates.

It is one thing to write these dissenting opinions off as factually
false, but this is apparently no longer regarded as adequate by the
global warming advocates. The dissent keeps popping up, it backed by
some very reputable people wielding very credible facts, and the
availability of alternate information outlets has made it impossible
to smother the doubters and dissenters.

Now enter the moral angle. If global warming is now a moral matter, it
would seem to suggest an associated implication that these
inconvenient viewpoints are immoral. Apparently it is now the duty of
"good" people to reject these opinions on this "moral" basis and
without regard to whether they are factually true or false.

The most bizarre aspect of this strategy is that it is exactly what
the liberals have always (unfairly) accused us conservatives of doing.
Here, morality is not being used as a lens through which to view the
facts, but rather as a hammer that can smash the inconvenient ones.
Regardless of the evidence to the contrary, I must not believe it
possible for Bob to have shot George because such a fact is not
compatible with the accepted moral viewpoint! If I dare to believe
otherwise, then I am "immoral".

The message of these pseudo-moralists is that "good" people must start
by accepting the pre-ordained orthodox conclusion and then work
backwards through the claimed facts, making not an intellectual
assessment of whether they are indeed true, but rather a "moral"
assessment of whether or not they agree with the conclusion. Things
claimed as facts which are "good" (in this moral sense) should be
embraced and those which are "bad" (in this same moral sense) should
be discarded, not because they are factually false, but because they
are "immoral".

In all honesty, this should scare the heck out of everyone. This is an
atmosphere in which scientific inquiry is steered not by factual
truth, but by a pre-ordained "moral" position. What is at work here is
exactly what the liberals have always claimed to condemn. How is this
any different from the decree of a radical theocratic dictator who
will allow only those scientific conclusions which are approved by his
church?

The liberals always claimed that such behavior - allowing moral
considerations to trump factual ones - was the ultimate evil. But
apparently, even this "ultimate evil" becomes "acceptable strategy" if
the cause is justified. This is "liberal moral relativism" taken to a
whole new level.

--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.

Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS

"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.

"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant

Joseph R. Darancette
dar...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

The reason it's a moral matter is because it is established (fact, not
opinion) that humans are the greatest cause of it and our actions hold
life in the balance. Climate change can destroy ecosystems and other
life with it. Are you under the impression that humans cannot go
extinct? Yes or no, the question itself makes it a moral issue,
especially if one believes God created us. In any event, it is not
morally sound by any measure to cause our own extinction.
People like you refuse to see what is front of your own face. How
many times have you seen butterflies mating in snow? What's funny,
though, is that at least the dinosaurs didn't cause their own
extinction. But then again, right wingers don't believe in junk
science like global warming, they believe in solid science, like
creationism.
I hope you understand that, no matter how many posts you use to
illustrate yourself as in denial, the rest of the world has already
moved on and is addressing the issue. Go dunk a witch or something,
Lucy.

Pissed that the Captain don't buy into your Gospel eh?

The current theory among the "higher minded" is that Mother Earth is a
benign, nurturing and unchanging environment for all her creatures.
They also believe that all geologic and climatic history began around
1979 and that any event that threatens Earth's creatures is
unprecedented and has been caused by humankind who is thought to be
some form of extra terrestrial virus. Their proof of this is in their
computer models and the words of their prophet Al Gore. -- Captain
Compassion

This is just incorrect. Scientists do not believe in the first place
that Earth's climate is supposed to or has remained constant. You
need to get past this before you can understand further. The issue is
what has humankind done to alter this climate in such a way that we
already see ecosystems suffering.
You are in denial. You suffer from delusion. You should educate
yourself about how ecosystems work in relation to their local
environments. Life is fragile, and all ecosystems are related, one
way or another. It's not magic; nature can be upset. Don't you care
about the future of the human species? Think about that before you
answer. It is not safe to hope for the best without preparing for the
worst.

When logic is not a tool in your toolbox why not use guilt.

The Captain always hopes for the best but plans for the worst. In
order to save the earth and themselves some won't drive, some won't
eat meat, some pray to new age gods and some scream from street
corners. The Captain collects guns. -- Captain Compassion


Guns are neato, but they won't save you from climate change.
Are you familiar with Enfield rifles? My dad collects and restores
those.


--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.

Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS

"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.

"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant

Joseph R. Darancette
dar...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx


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