Re: What does a Sinophobe, a Russophobe, and the Nippon-phobes have in common
- From: Scotius <wolvzbro@xxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 00:12:51 -0800
On 25 Mar 2006 22:54:04 -0800, EastWindRain@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
The abridged answer- they all were/still are wrong.
Back in the scary cold war, we thought the Russians were going to
conqueror the free world. Turns out that when push came to
shove-without Russia's atomic weapons, we would have destroyed them in
most military scenarios. Luckily for us, communisms flaws (and a few
courageous intellectuals + John Paul)
The former Pope is the one who wanted the current Pope (the
nazi, and former "chief inquisitor") to replace him. JP II was no
hero.
toppled the Soviet Union. After
we got a good look at the Russians, it turned out that while they were
lead by a bunch of viscious autocrats, they lacked the reasources to
consitute a threat to the U.S. Russia was a third world country
mascarding as a first world one.
That sounds like well written propaganda now, but the people
who went through the many revolutions sponsored (or underwritten
entirely) by the USSR would disagree.
If you had any idea how much the USSR poured into countries
like North Vietnam, you wouldn't so casually dismiss them as having
not been a power. They certainly were one, as attested to by the fact
that the US had to produce the F-16 as a low cost means to chew up
MiG-21s in dogfights. Why? Because China alone had more than 4,000 of
them on combat ready status in the '70s, and Russia had at least that
many to sell to tin-pot regimes who wanted to be able to threaten the
US.
Further, while the USSR did go belly up as a result of the
cold war, the US ain't doin' so well last I looked, and a good part of
the reason is because of all the spending that went into the cold war
defenses, not only of America but also of Europe. Now that America
needs some allies, they (the EU) have decided they'd rather compete
economically and put up their collective middle finger at the US.
Things aren't quite as rosy as the people who talk about "the World's
only superpower" would have us believe.
In the 1980's, we went through the same. Japanese companies roared unto
the world's stage, and everybody started howling about how we were all
going to get bought out by Japanese companies. However, it turned out
when American industry actually had to compete, they coulnd't get away
with selling the same old junk. In turned out that while GM and Ford
felt the pain, we, the consumers, got cars that (pardon my french)
sucked less. Overall, it turns out we were better for the "Japanese
Invasion".
The year first decade of the 21st century will be looked back on as how
some of the more guilable sections of the public became convinced that
China was going to overtake America as a super power. Ignoring solid
economic data, considerable enviromental problems, and the exsistence
of large non-Han ethnicities, they thought China was going to be the
next super power. Despite the fact that China's rural population
remains destitute, they took one look at Hong Kong and start panicing.
When we look at China ten years from now, we will see a country in
turmoil. The rise of an urban chinese middle upper class will
eventually demand political rights.
They already have many, and while leaders in the US are
rabidly supporting gun control because they're afraid of a citizenry
that will still be armed if the economy gets not so nice, China is
increasingly allowing it's citizens to own many types of firearms. The
trust of a government for it's people may be measured in what they
approve of, or try to disallow their people having arms-wise. The
Chinese government is apparently less afraid of it's people than the
US government is, and with good reason I suspect.
The CCP at this point will try to
retain power through force, which will smash the chinese economic
miracle into the ground.
You're dreaming, and your dreamtime would be better spent
trying to think of a way to make America better than wishing ill on
China.
Or, they military willl refuse, and the CCP
will go quietly into the night. The night will not remain quiet long,
as East Turkestan's muslims, Tibetans, and the nomads of Heigoland and
Inner Mongolia all march unto the political scene and demand
soverignity.
Your argument is predicated on the idea that there will be
ethnic strife, which you say in turn will cause the Chinese government
to crack down, which you claim will in turn ruin their economy. Has it
ever occurred to you that the people you're so sure will rise up to
demand rights will realise that they'll have things far better if they
support the Beijing government, and cooperate economically?
This will cause considerable choas within China. If the
Chinese can somehow overcome overpopulation, women's rights issues,
enviromental problems, and all of China's ethnicities, then in about 10
to 20 years I could see them as a regional power slightly more powerful
then Japan.
I'm guessing you didn't either didn't go to Harvard for
political and economic analysis studies, or you didn't pay attention
in class when you were there.
.
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