Re: Greenland glaciers disappearing more quickly

In article <1140188175.575364.22890@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
"Igor The Terrible" <igor_the_terrible@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Solar flares contribute little to climate change; over time, they are
too few and far in between to do much of anything but to wreak a little
havoc on power grids and communications. :)

Is this from Wikipedia?

Or are you making it up as you go?

That sounds like a RL
reiteration of......? If so, have him apply a numerical model to
outline the dynamics behind such a claim.

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2003/images/solcon/eddy_strip.gif

http://www.lund.irf.se/HeliosHome/earthlow.html

Truth is, increasing quantities of greenhouse gasses were only the
beginning of it.

The beginning of...what?

When you couple that with normal climate cycles,

Which "normal" climate cycles?

plus
all the soot that is landing on glaciers and ice flows, all these
factors exacerbate the normal cycle.

In what way? I don't recall this being a factor in IPCC findings.

However, when the ice begins to
diminish exposing more of the earth's surface,

What?

which absorbs the sun's
radiation which in turn is converted into thermal energy, something
dramatic happens.

The Academy Award?

1.) there is less ice to reflect solar radiation and
more exposed earth to absorb the radiation and warm.

Yabut, the water doesn't go anywhere, does it?

What about water vapor feedback above 1000 meters?

The Bureau of Meteorology Research Center (Australia) findings indicate
that increased Carbon Dioxide results in water vapor feedback" above
1000 meters, which is shown to reduce radiative forcing by as much as
-1.5 watts/M^2...unaccounted for by IPCC.

Hence, the
conditions are set for warming to accelerate.

Wikipedia again?

Bottom line, greenhouse
gasses are not totally responsible for climate.

0.04% CO2 is not likely causing anything measurable. At all.

Did you know one of the key points of contention with IPCC is that it
completely ignores the presence of water vapor in its measurements?
Water vapor in the troposphere tends to keep energy collisional, thereby
reducing forcing.

Dietze, Hug and Barrett, et al, have shown that IPCC over estimated the
ability of tropospheric CO2 to absorb infrared by a factor of 3 or more.
"The results of HITRAN calculations show that a doubling of CO2 at one
bar and a pressure of water vapor equivalent of 50% humidity, infrared
absorption only increases by less than one percent. "

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?titlePeter_Dietze

http://www.john-daly.com/dietze/cmodcalc.htm

IPCC, also mistakenly assumes that Solar irradiance is constant (and
therefore not a factor in Climate Change--an assumption which has proven
gravely mistaken.

Calculations from data gathered by ACRIM-3, SOHO and the SOLCON, are
showing that perhaps ALL of the radiative forcing necessary to account
for Global Warming can be found in the variable solar irradiation.

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2003/17jan_solcon.htm

They simply played the
role in overcoming the inertia to initiating a warming trend.

This sounds like Gaia theory to me. Captain Planet Comic Books?

The power is YOURS!

And the
chemistry in the upper atmosphere...it contributes little to change.

Links or references please.

All the factors involved are at or near the surface.

Links or references please.

The oceanic
currents are just now beginning to contribute to climate change.

Links or references please.

In a
relatively short time, this variable will become far less subtle as its
effects will stick out like a sore thumb.

Links or references please.

Kyoto treaty??? Forget it. Game over.

It's only been in effect less than one year.

There is nothing we can to to
stop this trend except maybe building huge, opaque structures in space
or hope for a meteor collision to block the sun's rays from reaching
the planet.

So, this is your solution to suppressing solar flares?

I thought you were gonna have Congress pass a law against Sun Spots.

Not to worry, there's some evidence that the next few Solar Cycles
(Approx 11 years each) will see a severe reduction in sun spot activity.
The last time this happened, the Thames froze over.

Maybe Congress will need to pass a law that everyone release all the
Carbon Dioxide, Amen, that they can into the Troposphere.


Of course, this will be easy for Congress to do.


In doing that, either option will create a whole set of
new problems.

Welcome to the so-called Human Race, brother.

When Bush refused to sign the treaty, something tells me the government
already knew we are screwed and they have been keeping this from the
public. I have a feeling this is exactly the case. So, unwittingly,
Bush actually did the right thing and placed priorities on the economy
rather than the environment. So enjoy the ride...whatever is left of
it.

Something tells me that "they" knew that the causes of Global Warming
are unclear. And that the IPCC study is flawed. And that Carbon Dioxide,
Amen, measured in parts per million, had little or nothing to do with
it, either way.

Climate change is a very s l o w process that tends to
maintain the trend it is heading in; whether it is warming or cooling.
For all intents and purposes, there is little on the horizon that will
change this.

You'd know about s-l-o-w, obviously.


--
NeoLibertarian

Global Warming: It ain't the heat, it's the stupidity.
.

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