Re: European's showcase their diplomacy skills

On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 23:54:19 -0800, Scotius <wolvzbro@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

>On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 02:28:23 GMT, D. Wells <wellsfamily@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>wrote:
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>>Too bad Iran's Islamist president doesn't do deals with weak, effete
>>infidels. LOL!
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>>Iran's President: We Won't Be Bullied
>>Wednesday, January 11, 2006
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>>http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,181297,00.html
>>TEHRAN, Iran ? The U.S. and Britain said Wednesday that Western
>>countries will likely seek Iran's referral to the U.N. Security
>>Council after it restarted nuclear activity. Iran's president said his
>>country would not be bullied and would push ahead with the program.
>>
>>British Prime Minister Tony Blair said he could not rule out the
>>possibility that Iran will face economic sanctions.
>>
>>International impatience with Iran was growing after it broke U.N.
>>seals at a uranium enrichment plant Tuesday and said it was resuming
>>nuclear research after a two-year freeze. Enriched uranium can be used
>>as a fuel for both nuclear energy and nuclear weapons.
>>
>>"I think the first thing to do is to secure agreement for a reference
>>to the Security Council, if that is indeed what the allies jointly
>>decide, as I think seems likely," Blair told the House of Commons in
>>London, adding that he was in close contact with Washington on the
>>issue.
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>>"We obviously don't rule out any measures at all," Blair said when
>>asked about possible sanctions. "It's important Iran recognizes how
>>seriously the international community treats it."
>>
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> They're approaching this the wrong way. Bush will say "We need
>to do something about this... it's against the will of the UN... etc",
>and Kofi Annan will sit back doing his little shit-eating grin thing.
>Meanwhile, the mad mullahs of Iran will be lauding themselves because
>shortly they'll say something like "Okay, we'll give these up, if
>Israel gives up it's nuclear weapons".
> They'll even do a good job of pretending to be an Iranian
>David facing a totally mythical Israeli "Goliath", and although people
>who know ANYTHING about anything won't be stupid enough to buy it, the
>media people will all be dutifully asking "But isn't it somewhat
>valid...?". The short answer is "No, halfwit; it isn't, and...", and
>the long answer is something like "Everyone knows that the only reason
>the 'Palestinians' want the West Bank and Gaza Strip is because their
>'brothers' wouldn't let them live in their countries, because it was
>more useful to those countries to send them back for the 'jihad' than
>it was to let them in. Since those other countries had planned to
>invade Israel through the West Bank and Gaza Strip in order to 'drive
>the Jews into the sea', the Israelis rightfully occupied those areas.
>Never mind that the maps prior to 1967 correctly showed the West Bank
>as part of Jordan, and the Gaza Strip as part of Egypt, and that the
>'Palestinians' weren't complaining of Jordanian/Egyptian 'occupation'
>of 'their lands'; many of the governments of the Muslim world want
>another go at Israel and are afraid to try it because although they
>have some weapons of mass destruction, so does Israel. Better still
>would be to disarm Israel of it's nukes completely, and then be able
>to have a conventional war with it - that's their thinking. So, all
>Iran has to do is try to use the fact that it's trying to build nukes
>to force the issue to the UN, to try to get Israel disarmed, and they
>think they've made out like bandits (like Mohammed, in other words) by
>getting 'something for nothing' ".
> That pretty much cover it? Yep, I think so.
> What Bush should be saying is "Iran is a nutcase regime and we
>aren't going to let it acquire nukes", and if the Iranian president
>and "religious leaders" get all upset, refer them to Dr. Joyce
>Brothers or someone with similar counselling skills.
>

I think it's a good analysis but I disagree that Iran hopes the UN
does something about Israel so all the Muslim countries can pile on.

Right now, Iran has a country of mostly young people, 80% of which do
not want to live under a theocracy. The Iranian public want democracy
and they want more freedoms. In general they want reform.

But the gov't can't crack down too hard without nukes to stand-off the
rest of the world. All they need is a few to make it not worthwhile
for the world community to intervene when they go after the student
protesters and the liberal voices daily criticizing and calling for
reform.

Their tactic is to punk the European idiots by progressing, then
pausing to supposedly negotiate diplomatically but never taking a step
back. Eventually they'll get what they want.

Then they can do as they will internally and they can threaten the
Europeans and the Israelis. With only a few nukes they could wipe
Isreal off the map.

My guess is once they're nuclear armed they will tell all Jews in
Israel to get out and give up all their territory to the Palestinians.
If the Euro-losers want to make something of it they can threaten the
destruction of Paris or Berlin knowing the West thinks they may be
just that crazy.

Like a fox I say.


>>State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said "it is more likely than
>>ever" that the U.N. nuclear watchdog, the International Atomic Energy
>>Agency, will refer Iran to the Security Council. The council could
>>then impose sanctions.
>>
>>White House spokesman Scott McClellan said Tuesday if Iran continued
>>on its present course, "there is no other choice but to refer the
>>matter to the Security Council."
>>
>>McCormack said Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice had discussed the
>>situation by telephone with IAEA chief Mohamed ElBaradei and British
>>Foreign Secretary Jack Straw.
>>
>>Russia, a longtime ally of Iran, expressed anger as well. Foreign
>>Minister Sergey Lavrov talked with Rice, and both sides shared "a deep
>>disappointment" over Iran's move, the Russian Foreign Ministry said.
>>
>>But Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad shrugged off the
>>international outcry.
>>
>>"Unfortunately, a group of bullies allows itself to deprive nations of
>>their legal and natural rights," Ahmadinejad told a crowd during a
>>visit to the port city of Bandar Abbas. His speech was broadcast live
>>on state-run television. "The Iranian nation is not frightened by the
>>powers and their noise."
>>
>>Former President Hashemi Rafsanjani took a sharper tone, denouncing
>>the West's "colonial policy."
>>
>>"If they cause any disturbance, they will ultimately regret it," the
>>cleric warned in a speech for the Islamic holiday of Eid al-Adha aired
>>on state TV.
>>
>>"Even if (the Westerners) destroy our scientists, their successors
>>would continue the job," he said. "It would not be easy for them to
>>solve the (nuclear) case by imposing sanctions or anything like that."
>>
>>Rafsanjani, who was Iran's president in the 1990s, lost to Ahmadinejad
>>in a runoff election in June. The policy of pursuing the nuclear
>>program has become a point of national pride for many Iranians, a rare
>>issue that crosses the reformist-conservative divide.
>>
>>Rafsanjani now serves as head of the Expediency Council, a powerful
>>body that mediates between the elected parliament and Iran's unelected
>>Islamic clerical leadership, which holds ultimate say in the country.
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>>Iran insists its research is for peaceful energy production only. But
>>the United States suspects Tehran has ambitions to produce nuclear
>>weapons.
>>
>>"I tell those superpowers that, with strength and prudence, Iran will
>>pave the way to achieving peaceful nuclear energy," Ahmadinejad said.
>>"In the near future, (nuclear) energy will be completely carried out
>>by the Iranian nation."
>>
>>The president accused the West of seeking to prevent Iran's
>>technological development and control the country by forcing it to buy
>>nuclear fuel abroad.
>>
>>"They falsely say that they oppose nuclear weapons. They want to have
>>nuclear monopoly to sell it drop by drop at an expensive price and use
>>it as an instrument for domination over nations," he said.
>>
>>Blair said Iran's decision to restart its nuclear program, coupled
>>with Ahmadinejad's recent inflammatory comments about Israel, "cause
>>real and serious alarm right across the world." Ahmadinejad recently
>>called for Israel to be "wiped off the map" and said the Holocaust was
>>a "myth."
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> I read somewhere that that might have been a mistranslation,
>and that what he meant to say was that the area of Israel represented
>on the map (at the UN) should be wiped clean, to facilitate better
>understanding of Israel's borders (at least that's what the liberal
>interpreters all said).
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>>German Deputy Foreign Minister Gernot Erler cautioned against
>>referring the dispute to the Security Council, saying it could further
>>destabilize the Middle East.
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>>Foreign ministers from Britain, France and Germany, who have spent two
>>years trying to persuade Iran to halt its uranium conversion and
>>enrichment activities, will meet in Berlin on Thursday to consider
>>their next step.
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