Re: Accomplishments

On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 21:27:01 -0500, "Joe S." <anon@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

>Let's pause for a moment and reflect on what has been accomplished by the
>two major political parties.
>
>Between 1900 and today, the Democrats accomplished the following:
>
>1. Won two world wars.

Firstly, I can tell this is going to be more than just overly
simplistic, which is what I expect from you, "Abel Malcolm", etc.
Secondly, WW II was partly a war the US should not have been
involved in. Hitler was a nutcase and an aggressor, but the US
demanded of Japan that they acknowledge the US' "sole" right to
resources in Southeast Asia, and acknowledge that said region was
unconditionally the US' specifically to develop. You don't crap on
someone's claims in their own backyard and expect nothing to happen
over it, unless we're talking about one of your heroes, FDR, who did
just that. Well, actually, not quite that...
He approved a plan to preemptively bomb Japanese industry
BEFORE Pearl Harbour.
He also pretended that he didn't know the Japanese carrier
attack against Pearl Harbour was coming. I saw an interview with the
two guys who manned the radar search station. They had spotted the
Japanese ships at sea, had reported it right up the chain of command,
and were told not to worry, everyone knew, and everything that needed
to be done was being done.
After the Japanese struck, a then admiral said to his
colleagues "That son of a bitch has now killed my son". The admiral's
son was serving with the US Navy at Pearl Harbour, and the "son of a
bitch" that the admiral was referring to was FDR.

>2. Led the nation to recover from the Great Depression

I had a friend who was a professor of US history at a
university near where I live. He told me that FDR "saved capitalism"
with his "new deal". The way he explained it, the "new deal" could
have been a lot better for the average people and didn't have to be
nearly as good for the big-time capitalists. I kind of think he knew
more about the situation at that time than you do.

>3. By means of the Rural Electric Administration, spread electrical power
>to every corner of the nation.

Yeah, and how's that utility bill looking? What? Same way most
bills look when they're sent by a monopoly?
Oh, and how are those gas prices coming along? I thought you
might want to know that up until WW II, people had a choice of fuels
in the US, usually gasoline or wood gas, in case you didn't know. WW
II made gasoline more cost effective for the military (but I'm sure
the oil barons didn't have anything to do with it, and if they did
there's no way St. Franklin would have conspired with them! [sarcasm
in case you hadn't guessed]), and the rest is monopolistic history.

>4. By means of the GI Bill, enabled more people to earn college degrees and
>purchase homes than at anytime, anywhere, ever, thereby ensuring a educated,
>competent workforce with solid equity and financial means.
>5. By means of the Marshall Plan, enabled Western Europe to rebuild itself
>after WW II, thereby wiping out the poverty and inequalities built into the
>end of WW I that led to WW II.

Nice try. The Marshall plan was what rebuilt Europe, yes, but
the WHOLE truth is "the Marshall plan is what rebuilt Europe after a
war they started, and did so at American expense". The fact that FDR
used the incomes of American taxpayers to consolidate American power
in Europe on behalf of American business and political leaders doesn't
make him a hero to me, and as Europe increasingly tries to screw the
US anyway it can, you can bet it won't leave him looking like a hero
to average Americans either.

>6. Following the lead of "Mr. X" (George Keenan), established the strategy
>of containment that led to the eventual fall of the Soviet Union and the
>Warsaw Pact, thereby freeing Eastern Europe of Russian domination.

Idiot. FDR did almost nothing to contain the Soviets, and was
in fact responsible for letting them take the Baltic states, along
with his "the buck stops here" successor Harry Truman, who apparently
didn't believe it really stopped there when it came to Soviet
expansion.

>7. Enacted and enforced legislation that: ended child labor; ensured
>workers the right to organize; provided for safe workplaces; ensured that
>workers would receive at least a minimum wage; ensured that workers would
>work a reasonable amount of time and would be paid for overtime.

Oh, so that's why Hoffa and the others had to fight for the
most basic standards in the '50s, etc... thanks for clearing that up
for me.

>8. Enacted and enforced legislation that enabled this nation to have the
>healthiest populace ever:

... and handed over control of how the medicine is practiced
in the US to the pharmaceutical companies.

>provided for inspection of food and enforced food
>safety, thereby wiping out food-borne diseases that previously were common
>and that still kill thousands in other countries;

You forgot to mention that he also begat a form of centrally
planned agriculture, and presided over the biggest forced buyout of
small-time family farms by "farmers" whose closest experience to farm
work was whipping the guys who wouldn't go fast enough.

>established programs of
>childhood vaccinations that wiped out childhood diseases that still kill
>thousands worldwide -- but not here; set up processes and organizations to
>ensure that only proven drugs and medications are marketed, thereby

...ensuring monopoly.

>protecting the populace from snake-oil salesmen.
>9. Established financial monitoring, control, and enforcement processes to
>ensure that bank deposits were protected,

Say what? Imbecile! Do you have any idea how many people who
are knowledgeable about that period believe he was a co-engineer of
the crash of '29 which almost totally wiped out independant
millionaires in the US? But, thanks to the self-appointed
make-it-up-as-you-go-along historian Joe S., we're all a bit wiser.

>that financial transactions are
>transparent,

Moron or liar? Which are you?

>and that banks maintained sufficient reserves; that controlled
>stock transactions to prevent the abuses that led to the Great Depression.

I think what you mean to say is "that instituted rules for
stock transactions that his fat cat buddies could still get away with
breaking, but the 'little guy' couldn't".

>10. Established and broadened a system of national forests, national parks,
>and wilderness areas

Those were around long before him. Theodore Roosevelt was, I
believe, the first to establish any.

>that preserved and protected our natural heritage.

>11. Finally ended the scourge of legal racial discrimination that had kept
>over 10 percent of our population living as disenfranchised, indentured
>servants.
>

The Republicans in the '50s were the originals of the
anti-segregation movement. It was at that time the Democrats who were
against integration. Then when the Republicans nominated Barry
Goldwater for president, their Black constituents felt betrayed. The
Republicans wanted someone who would take a stand against Soviet
aggression, and figured Goldwater wouldn't be making the decisions
about how they voted on civil rights matters anyway, but they lost
their constituency to a bunch of fast talking "liberals" who were then
the new party of civil rights (realizing that they could drag their
feet about actually getting much done for YEARS).

>
>Between 1900 and today, the Republicans accomplished the following:
>
>1. Opposed ALL of the above.

Name names and votes.

>2. Gave us Herbert Hoover, Calvin Coolidge, the Great Depression,

The Republicans didn't "give" you the great depression
jackass. By the way, why do you suppose it's considered common
knowledge that Joseph Kennedy was one of the men who profited from the
stock market crash? I don't suppose you were aware that the
depression, where Teddy and the boys grew up was "a myth"?

>Watergate,
>Tom DeLay, George W. Bush, Tricky ***, Ronald Reagan, Pat Robertson, Jerry
>Falwell, Tim LaHaye, Ralph Dobson, and Newt Gingrich.

To some degree, the opposite of Janet "burn 'em 'til they give
up" Reno, Jocelyn "kindergarten students should be taught to
masturbate" Elders, Jimmy "fake dollar crisis to help friends make
out" Carter, etc.

>3. Established the most effective lie machine ever seen in US politics.

No, the most effective lie machine in US politics are the
network news organizations, and they're almost top-to-bottom
"liberals". Oh ,and speaking of which, how's the ethics thing doing at
NBC, which as you may know is owned by GE?

>4. Hmmm -- give me a minute, I'm thinking. There's gotta be a pony in here
>somewhere.
>
>

I think there is. It's name is Joe, and boy can he spread it.





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