Re: New Research: Better off without God
- From: "PerfectlyAble" <jrhw@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: 20 Oct 2005 19:19:03 -0700
steve wrote:
> ray wrote:
>
> > In article <435422ac@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
> > steve <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >> Captain Compassion wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 11:22:15 +1300, steve
> >> > <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>You'd think someone would have studied this years ago, but it appears
> >> >>someone finally has taken the time to compare countries and societies
> >> >>where Christianity is strong with those where society is mainly secular
> >> >>or "post-God".
> >> >>
> >> > Was the Soviet Union post God? How well did that do? How about North
> >> > Korea?
> >>
> >> Not democratic or open.
> >>
> >> That DOES makes a huge difference.
> >>
> >> The Soviet Union didn't fail because it was "Communist". It failed
> >> becasue it was oppressive, unaccountable and undemocratic.
> >>
> >> Many countries have democratically elected communist members of
> >> Parliament. They function just fine. They probably have better access to
> >> health care and education than capitalist states run by dictators.
> >>
> >> See the difference democracy and accountability make?
> >>
> >> It's HUGE.
> >>
> >> Maybe one day the United States will become a democracy, too.
> >
> > And what Communist countries are you talking about that was put in place
> > via elections?
>
> I wasn't concerned so much with governments being Communist as there being
> elected Communists in a legislature. Most European countries - and Israel -
> have elected Communists - either under that name explicitly or re-banded
> following the collapse of the Soviet Union.
>
> Italy came very close to electing a Communist-lead government in the 1980s.
>
> Nicaragua freely elected a communist government following the toppling of
> the US-backed Somosa dictatorship, but this government never really had a
> chance due to the US-funded and provisioned terrorism of the Reagan-backed
> "Contras".
>
> > And who were their opponents? Republicans and
> > Democrats? What you are doing is trying to imply that people electively
> > choose Communism over other forms of Government; over other parties of
> > Government.
>
> No. I'm trying to point out that "communisM" in a democratic context is a
> very different beast with respect to the Soviet model....which arguably
> isn't communism at all....as I'm sure corrupt dictatorship was not the
> intnetion of Marx, Engels or Lenin.
>
> > After all, Saddam had a 99% success rate in his last election. The
> > other 1% that voted against Saddam? Well........... they disappeared
> > before we got there.
>
> You have pointed out that the lack of democracy is a very important factor.
>
> That's all i was saying.
People choose communist parties because the elite
are abusing the machine of government. Communism
is essential Christianity minus the God. So its
no surprise people who vote communist are voting
against those who use Christianity to underpin
their abuse of the machine of government. That
communism or christianity are bad ideological
governments goes without saying. The freer
the Capitalism is the freer we all are (but that
doesn't mean to say global free trade is
necessary a good thing (it depends on what the
in the fine print).
Yes the sentiment for a more cohesive and
consistently wealth society is good. Yes
the sentiment for religious freedom is good.
But too much in government is destructive.
Look at G.Bush to see how corrupting Christianity
is when held so close.
.
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