Re: Dead soldier deflates the Texas cross defiler!

Randy Cox wrote:
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The nutcase right-winger that trashed the crosses and flags to the side of
the road near Crawford, Texas was brought down by one of the dead soldiers
who still fights evil from his grave. The unknown soldier punctured the 

out


of control pickup trucks tire. The driver was apprehended while trying to
change the flat.

It is common practice in Texas to place small white wooden crosses  as
memorials to those who lose their lives in traffic accidents.


But now they have to do it on private property. People are being sued in
Houston and other places and that's what's so stupid about it.

If the victim


of a traffic accident is allowed this public remembrance, how much more
deserved is the small honor shown those who died in duty to their country 

in


Iraq.

Randy R. Cox



I think Texas has a law that says only State sponsored memorials are permissible. People can apply for it, but these might be different since they are on county roads which are generally owned by the property owner from the middle of the road out and occupy the private property by way of public easement. So I'm not sure how the law applies in this case. Obviously law enforcement has seen this as an act of criminal mischief.

I don't agree that we need to pull out of Iraq, but I support Cindy's right to protest so long as she obeys the spirit of the law. She is one of the few that call Bush to take responsibility for his lies. His supporters still deny the untruth and the irresponsible lack of planning for this unwise war that now HAS to be won.

Randy R. Cox 


still in denial i see...................

it CANNOT be won Randy. Short of destroying ourselves to win it. Is THAT worth it to you?

Its Nam all over again. We could have won that one too - at the cost of America's Soul, and many more millions dead.


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The jury has the power to bring a verdict in the teeth of both the law and the facts.

Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, Horning v. District of Columbia, 1920



Okay, let's analyze this. On the one hand, if establishing order and democracy in Iraq is absolutely impossible and ultimately doomed to failure, then staying one more minute would be stupid. I thought it highly unlikely that anything but what has already happened in Iraq would happen and said so as I opposed the war in the beginning, but the country (not me....not you) decided to do it. If only a minority of Americans supported the invasion of Iraq, then getting out and arresting George Bush would be the right thing to do, but America, including most Democratic elected representatives voted to give Bush the authority to go to war. They did it hoping he would use the authority to pressure Saddam and Bush never really even tried. He had killing on his mind and the blood lust of the power that comes with being a "war president" from the beginning. So those elected representatives authorized a blood thirsty man....and he did what blood thirsty men do.

Now Bush didn't break Iraq, America broke Iraq. You and I pay taxes. We broke Iraq! Our tax dollars destroyed their country, killed their babies and left them without order. Yeah, so we saw the near impossible circumstance of difference between the many factions there that Bush didn't bother to worry about...........but our tax dollars still did harm to Iraq.

From day one the blood thirsty Nazis in America (every country has these monsters) wanted the ugly American domination and hid behind every number of lie to justify the carnage. They encouraged and enabled torture and destruction as we tore what little stability there was in Iraq apart. Then we started losing men and the depravity of our tortures and the absurdity of our lack of planning became obvious.

That's where we are now. We still have the responsibility. 




which we are unable (not simply unwilling) to fullfill.




There a lots of people in Iraq that want us to stay.






?? really? All I've heard quoted want us to leave ASAP. Some tolerate us - others fight us, most are in betweeen.


none "want" us there.






They hate the torture and the bad planning and the disrespect George Bush has brought, but they still need the protection of our military.





yes. they need that protection. One (among many) responsibility which we are unable to provide fully, or even reasonably well.






We promised them a dream and we haven't done the best we can do to make that dream a reality.






yes we did, and I don't agree, I think we have and are doing our best...............and still getting are arse kicked. Quite simply our best ain't good enough.

and no we cannot make that dream a reality. we lack the ability, and soon we will lack the will also.

only reality will be a civil war, and in 5-10 yrs there will be a winner (or three winners/states), and peace over there after the winner wins.

Probably Sadr will be one of them. He's a tough bird.





We need a new plan. 




only other plan (alternative) is to leave.

there is no "third" plan or Salvage Plan (the one you keep looking for)...................your El Dorado.








We need to be the best that America can be rather than the worst the blood thirsty monsters of America can be. Even at our best with half a million soldiers over there, we still might fail, but we broke them and we owe them that much commitment.






Yes we owe them. No we are not that "best". We will not fix them. America is an Imperial Power, beneficent if possible, but she is NOT a charity.

YOU are that moral of a person, the majority of us are less moral than you. Statisically we, The People are far more moral than the Bastards runningour Government - but not moral enough to payback what we owe the Iraqis.

We have turned our Back on Taiwan and coddle China. Raped the American Indians, owned Slaves, looked away when the Germans killed the Jews,.......etc.


We are a quasi-moral Nation - but as a People we are also ignorant - not out of inablity to inform, but out of willfull ignorance born out of choice and abduction of moral responsibility.







We've only lost a couple of thousand Americans, but we've killed tens of thousands of Iraqi.



and yet when 1000s Iraqis die, no outcry at home. but when 14 Marines die - LOOKOUT!!

its obvious Raghead Souls wiegh 1/1000th of White Man American Souls.




We need to finish what we started!



WE CANNOT!!!!!!!!!!! - WE ARE THE RUSSIANS IN AFGHANISTAN!! - you still think we can win!!





When 100,000 Republican and Democrat sons and daughters are dead and a million without arms or legs, then if the job is still not done, I'll be for cutting and running and holding all the blood thirsty Americans to account for the unwise war.




America will never be willing to pay this price. Short of National Survival (like the USSR vs the Germans - where 1/6th of the population died) we will not fight in Iraq with such loses.


no amount of ol money will counteract the outcry from mothers if the above number ever become a reality.


of course they will not. In fact we lack the stomach (let alone the moral fiber as a People) to tolarate much more than 10,000 i'd say. MAX.

not without a reason for being there or a real threat to our national survival.

we will "cut and run" - when we can spin it to save face. A "peace with honour" bull*** thing again. I'm sure the spin masters are up late even now thinking how they can spin it so that a defeat looks like victory.

It souldn't be too hard - most Americans these last three years have been convinced "up is down" "war is peace" "slavery is freedom" and "ignorance is strengh".







I don't want to hear them complain how we really won Iraq and the peaceniks gave it away. 




- that is EXACTLY what you will hear!

Folks like that are cowards and will never face their own self-denial (i.e. reality). they will create any lame excuse to blame a defeat on anyone other than the government who sent them there. for to blame the gov. is in effect blaming yourself for being played for a dope, and fighting for a lie.


only the brave can admit to their own foolishness and learn wisdom from it.

ALSO folks like that would rather we nuc the whole God damned place in order to "Win" than to admit defeat. Of course such a win is genocide and not really a "win".






I want their sons and daughters to leave their million dollar homes in Plano, Texas and feel the 140 degree heat in Iraq. 






me too..............it will never happen. ;-(.

I know I'm not going to Iraq out of some National debt!!.........I'm too selfish for that.

I'm an isolationist anyway. I had no problem with Saddam raping and pilliging his people. Reform comes from within - if the People really had had enough they would have rose up on their own.........like Iran had.







I want us to force ourselves to learn how to at least try to win the hearts and minds of the people of Iraq. 




- too late. invading them made that impossible.




I want us to win.........but if we don't.....I want us to feel an appropriate pain commensurate with the destruction we brought upon Iraq. 






Won't happen either way..

not fixable and we lack the moral backbone to take the pain. We will leave the pain back in Iraq...................declair "VICTORY" as we tuck tail.................all will self-delude themselves that we "won" and all is ok in the world and get on with our selfish small-insolated-isolated-ignoranceisbliss-world familiy centric lives.

Afterall Veitnam was a "tie" right????.........we didn't really LOSE, did we?


or maybe "nobody won"?........................anyway we will self-delude and spin it in our own minds (after that spin is fed us by the crooks in the Administration of the time) in our own personal ways..........most will buy the spin, the rest of us willbe "america haters". or just "downers".







We broke it; let us expend something trying to fix it before we quit.






that is a moral argument. there is nothing moral about this war (or any? war).

you cannot create a moral codex from an immoral foundation Randy.






I want the coffins of our dead children to break our black hearts until we learn that democracy can not be imposed or until we learn that it can.






we will learn that when we tuck tail and run..............(under our self-denial)............it will probably take 20 yrs though. ;-/.





My children are not war age, but I have grandchildren and nieces and nephews. My grandchildren think George Bush is great and that America should force Iraq to be free. My grandchildren have black hearts of ignorance.





they are young and ignorant of the world. I'll not slam "young" however. Some young - yes even children are WISE. not many, but a select few are so wise that you as an adult accurally feel a little creeped out by them. Almost spiritual experience.


I heard a 8 yr old black boy in 1991 turn to his mother and ask why the dime store was selling playing cards with pictures of Iraqi POWs on them when they were people and some had been killed, and why would some boy want to have cards with such pictures on them.


there are alot of ignorant and foolish 70 yr olds too.





They have been seduced by George Bush's lies. I'd rather they risk losing their lives and see the up close results of their faulty beliefs than to live a lifetime in America supporting evil policy around the world. If they see the war close up, maybe their black hearts of ignorance and arrogance will be broken and their souls saved.





maybe. some folks are not savable though. seems some folks were pre-destined to be fools and learn nothing of wisdom.





If they can save Iraq in the process, then something good might yet come out of something bad.




only good that come out of Iraq is if we simply leave and let it go into civil war.


civil war will make the US economy implode! oil will skyrocket!!! and folks will panic!! (i think that will be our just reward for the war)

during the civil war some will die - but in 5 yr or so it will be three Nations and they will be stable enough to exist and trade with other Nations.

they will probably be dictatorships - but that is for the People over there to determine and deal with. not our concern.







I want every family that voted for this war in the sanctuary of their home, to invest at least one of their children in the war they made happen. I hope good comes from it, but let the coffins of our children, the maimed bodies of our children, or the scarred minds of our children return to speak to us of the costs of war that seem so attractive when the flags are waving. 






indeed! - in a perfectly just world.....................but sadly......






You know I didn't support starting this war, but we now have the responsibility of it. If you walk into a china shop and break the china.....you've got to pay for it. 




not if you lack the money for it and so are not capable.





If you break a lot of china and run out of the store, you'll carry the debt of that crime with you for the remainder of your life. 




yes, but you do not necessarily PAY that debt.




If you pay as much as you can afford to pay, but never put the pieces back together again, you'll leave the shop better than that one that refused to take responsibility and ran away.





True!!!!!!! but America is not going to take responsibility. We never did before, why do you think we will this time?





We haven't paid the price for all that we have broken in Iraq, yet. 




We will REFUSE to pay it. THAT is why we will eventually "Cut and run".




If we don't bring democracy to Iraq, then let us at least learn that there is a price to pay for invading another country. 






indeed. I KNOW we will learn that lessen regardless of what we do.





There is a chance we could pull this off with better planning and a realistic commitment. 




NO!!!!!!!! there is no chance. We lost Irag March18th2003.




We've already made the commitment.




huh? - tell me we MADE a commitment AFTER the job is completed. Claiming a commitment before the job is started is just empty rhetoric.






Let us now pay for that which we have bought by breaking it.

Randy R. Cox

Randy R. Cox 



I will pray with you Randy............

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It is not only [the juror's] right, but his duty...to find the verdict according to his own best understanding, judgment, and conscience, though in direct opposition to the directionof the court.

John Adams, 1771

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