Re: US politics has shifted....

Christian Williamson <c.willi@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
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> Chief wrote:
>> Christian Williamson <c.willi@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in news:nQwof.24466
>> $OK6.19186@trnddc03:
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>>>We have leftists in this newsgroup triumphantly announcing that Bush
>>
>> has
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>>>had to give in to John McCain's provision to prohibit torture. These
>>>leftists do not realize three things:
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>>>1) John McCain is a conservative Republican they're cheering;
>>>2) when pressed about using torture in desperate situations, McCain
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>> said
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>>>he hoped the agent in charge would go ahead with it, despite any
>>>prohibition; and
>>>3) it's very possible Bush was simply pushing back to see how far his
>>>authority to protect the nation went (you'll remember it's not John
>>>McCain's job to protect the nation, but the president's).
>>>
>>>You leftists cheered for Lieberman as VEEP; he failed you. Then Kerry
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>> as
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>>>president; he failed you. Hillary is failing you. And even Howard
>>>Dean now says we have to win the war in Iraq, and Jack Murtha was
>>>singing
>>
>> the
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>>>praises of Ronald Reagan the other day.
>>>
>>>Your elitist, anti-democratic views don't work.
>>>
>>
>>
>> John McCain is not a rightwing born 'agin' reformed drunk with the
>> speaking abilities of a trained chimp and the mannerisms of a spoiled
>> brat.
>
> Comparing John McCain to John Kerry was not expected.
>
>> John McCain votes for environmental issues, the minimum wage and was
>> against many of the rediculous crap forwarded by Bush and the
>> Neocons.
>
> Name an environmental issue on which you approve of McCain's position
> but not Bush's.

Bush loves murcury poisoning even increased it.

McCain signed a letter from 45 Senators to EPA
To: Administrator, U.S. Environmental Protection Agency

Dear Administrator Leavitt:

We are writing to urge you to take prompt and effective action to clean
up mercury pollution from power plants. The EPA?s current proposals on
mercury fall far short of what the law requires, and they fail to protect
the health of our children and our environment. We ask you to carry out
the requirements of the Clean Air Act to protect our nation from toxic
mercury contamination.

On January 30, 2004, EPA proposed two alternative rules to address
mercury emissions. Unfortunately, both of these proposals fail to meet
the Clean Air Act directives for cleaning up mercury. EPA's proposals
permit far more mercury pollution, and for years longer, than the Clean
Air Act allows.

The toxicity of mercury has been proven time and again by scientists
around the world. The Agency's own scientists just released a study
finding that approximately 630,000 infants were born in the US in the 12-
month period, 1999-2000, with blood mercury levels higher than what is
considered safe. This is a doubling of previous estimates.

The newest scientific studies show that controlling mercury emissions
works. As we saw in Florida, sharp reductions in mercury pollution are
mirrored by reductions in nearby fish populations. A study in northern
Wisconsin indicated that reductions in the input of mercury from air
corresponded with marked reductions in mercury fish tissue levels in the
1990s.

As the Administrator of the EPA, you have the legal authority and the
responsibility to address mercury emissions and protect public health. We
do not believe that EPA's current proposals are sufficient or defensible.
We urge you to withdraw the entire proposed rule package and re-propose a
rule for adequate public comment that meets the terms of the 1998
settlement agreement and is promulgated by the December 15, 2004
deadline.






>
>> John McCain will be a true fiscal conservative and not a teenager
>> with daddy's credit card.
>
> What spending bill has John McCain voted against?

Jesus, What are you a six year old with a computer?

Here look up the differences yourself -
http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/John_McCain.htm
>
>> John McCain won't friviously commit American troops into combat
>> unless absolutely necessary.
>
> John McCain WANTED GROUND TROOPS TO ATTACK KOSOVO.
>
>> John McCain will be a nightmare for idiots of the rightwing of the
Bush/creationists/baptist/racist/unsecular varity.
There is the best site for comparing different ideas between candidates
I've found in the past.

Let's see your cognitive abilities to honestly sort out why McCain is
your worst nightmare.

But we both know you won't.

> Sure. That's why John McCain campaigned for Bush.

You really are a youngster aren't you? Politics is like that. The
Democrats generally support the democratic candidate and republicans
support the republican candidate. It's generally a back room deal
accompanied by some future draft pick.


>> It's gonna be a hoot if you stupid shits pick McCain. But I'd guess
>> you stupid shits will go after Jeb or Card or even Rove before you
>> jerks will actually pick someone closer to the middle.
>
> It'll be either George Allen or George Romney.

Romney would be your best choice next to McCain.

>
>> Wonder what you dummies will say if the same Bush anti-McCain ads are
>> run by democrats? Like the one about his adopted 'black' baby run in
>> South Carolina or the one about his mental problems from being a POW.
>
> Who said that?

Don't read much do you? Both are all over Google.
Here's straight from McCain himself.

http://www.dadmag.com/archive/060400jmccain.php

McCain: Yeah. There were some pretty vile and hurtful things said during
the South Carolina primary. It's a really nasty side of politics. We
tried to ignore it and I think we shielded her from it. It's just
unfortunate that that sort of thing still exists As you know she's
Bengali, and very dark skinned. A lot of phone calls were made by people
who said we should be very ashamed about her, about the color of her
skin. Thousands and thousands of calls from people to voters saying "You
know the McCains have a black baby" I believe that there is a special
place in hell for people like those.

http://www.politicalquest.org/index.php/ccID/103/cID/107/cf/John_McCain_P
rimary_Presidential_Candidate/cssID/550/csf/John_Mccain_Race_for_Presiden
t_2000

The primary in South Carolina was especially important, as a McCain
victory probably would've put him on the track to nomination. His loss
has been attributed to a smear campaign by Texas Governor George W. Bush
supporters who, among other things, called McCain mentally unstable due
to his 5 years as a POW. In the end, he lost the nomination to Bush.

>
>> What a laugh.
>
> That's fine. You're welcome to laugh. Just remember: You lost
> yesterday, and the Iraqis won.
>
What a laugh everything is always a 'we won' we won' wewewewewe all the
way home thing with you isn't it.

It's now no more than a football game anymore to you folks.

We Won, Rah Rah

Complete with a Cheney quarterback, a coach Roving the sidelines, and a
Bushy head cheerleader along with half a country of vacuous blond pom pom
girls. Put the damn Pom Poms down Christian, they make you look like a
twit.

Let's take a look at what you won?

The country has lost over 20,000 young American kids to death and serious
wounds.

Rah Rah.

The deficit has grown by leaps and bounds.

Rah Rah

Over 400 billion has been tossed into the Iraq hole and the consensus is
that Iraq has a 50/50 chance if they pass a constitution supported by all
sides, have a military responsive to the Iraqi government and not one
faction as it is now, a police force that actually follows the laws and
doesn't drag people off into the nite to be disappeared, and a secular
government that allows women to participate.

So far none of these things are even close to becoming a reality.

In my opinion they won't any more than the Serbs will be nice to the
Croatians. The attrocities committed by the sunni and the shiites against
each other and both on the Kurds will not be forgiven just because Bush
declares Iraq a democracy or the faithbased wish it to happen.

Would it be a great thing if all of a sudden Iraq was just like Rhode
Island? Absolutely and it would make Bush a truely great foreign policy
president.

But then let's look at the problems with this besides the obvious one
stated above.

First, a bunch of really, really smart Jewish neocons of the type that
want Pollard released and Israeli aid increased thought this whole idea
up.

Second, they approached a born again functional idiot president right
after 9/11 when Bush was fresh from his unfocused empty headed staring
episode in a childrens school and whose handlers were looking for a
'Defining Moment' to raise his up til then 'boring and ho hum'
presidency.

Third, The problems in Israel have dropped to their lowest level in
decades because the Arabs are all busy trying to kill American kids in
Iraq. Any wonder Lieberman supports the war?

Forth, one of the ideas born 'agin' idiots believe is that Iraq and
Israel are central in their Kamakasi desire to get raptured and get on
with the Armageddon.

Fifth, given the fundimentalist unChristians ablities to change the shape
of good and bad into the convienent shape to fit in the small dark and
dank space between their ears thus allowing them to kill, bomb, and maim
those that disagree with their strict interpretation of the Bible, I'd
doubt Bush has any problem using American kids to fulfill his biblical
orgasm.

I wonder - if Moslems get 15 virgins - how many does a Fundy get? Surely
, it has to be at least 20. After all these are American fundys.

What a laugh.
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