Re: Dubya was briefed Aug. 6, 2001 that al Qaeda wanted to hijack planes


"Julian D." <jules@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 00:14:20 GMT, "XTS" <xts@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> >> >> >> >> >> > "Steven L." <sdlitvin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
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> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > There was absolutely nothing in it that could have
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >>prevented 9-11, unless Bush had ordered the entire air
> >> >> >transportation
> >> >> >> >> >> >>system shut down indefinitely to prevent a hijacking
> >anywhere
> >> >in
> >> >> >> >> >America.
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > Sorry, your interpretation, somehow is just not
convincing.
> >> >Nice
> >> >> >try,
> >> >> >> >> >but it
> >> >> >> >> >> > does comes up wanting. You will understand if a few
million
> >of
> >> >us
> >> >> >> >have
> >> >> >> >> >our
> >> >> >> >> >> > doubts as to you qulaifications.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> I read the memo.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >I dont care what you read. You think because you read
something
> >I
> >> >> >should
> >> >> >> >> >trust your 2nd grade level of comprehension?
> >> >> >> >> >Who do you think you are shithead? You're nothing but a
balless
> >> >woner
> >> >> >> >like
> >> >> >> >> >your cowardly leader you want to suck off. Go *** yourself .
I
> >> >was
> >> >> >> >making
> >> >> >> >> >fun of you stupid.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Translation: You showed me up as a stupid imbecile so I'm
just
> >> >> >> >> going to talk about sucking ***, throw in a few cuss words
> >> >> >> >> and make a complete fool of myself for the whole world to see.
> >> >> >> >> Now I'm going to run away since I am unable to respond with
> >> >> >> >> \any intelligence.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >Run away? I'm right here stumpfucker. You're asslicking buddy
is
> >no
> >> >> >smarter
> >> >> >> >than you. I am not going to waste time on her. Nor you.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> heh! See Horatio! I read this right after posting the previous
> >> >> >> reply.
> >> >> >> It would be neat if all the dumbass liberals followed his
strategy
> >of
> >> >> >> avoiding getting their asses kicked by ignoring our posts.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >OK Julian, I will not ignore you. I will adress you since you are
> >> >attention
> >> >> >straved, and pudfucker is feeling sorry for you.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >You're feelings of a terrorist running into your home and lopping
of
> >your
> >> >> >head are paranoid delusions, and a psychiatrist may be able to help
> >you
> >> >> >before they get worse. There, now I gave you some attention and you
> >and
> >> >> >shitstomper can go and cuddle. Have a nice life Julie.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Well, thanks.
> >> >> By the way, they want to lop yours and your family's heads off too.
> >> >> Such dangerous people only understand death. And hopefully Bush
will
> >> >> mete out much, much more upon them.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >No they dont Julian. But if it gives you comfort to think so, It's OK.
> >> >Living in fear is not living Julian. I refuse to let the people you
fear
> >> >even cross my mind. I want to tell you about something. I was
watching a
> >> >thing on court TV. This woman was in bar. She invited some drunk
home
> >for
> >> >supper. They had dinner, and drank a lot of booze. While she went to
take
> >a
> >> >shower, the drunk raped and killed her daughter. He was not a Muslim,
> >> >African, Jew, just a regular drunk, she thought she could trust him
> >because
> >> >he brought her a drink. I dont drink, or go to bars or churches,
> >fraternal
> >> >orgs. or places where fanataics, drunks and dope addicts hang out. I
> >chose
> >> >my frinds wisley. Im 58 years old, and have survived 24 months in
> >Vietnam,
> >> >and the therest of my life by these simple rules. I know I will not
live
> >> >forever, and after the 24 months in Vietnam I have alwayshought the
rest
> >has
> >> >been bonus time anyway. Try to relax, you ge stiff as hell after your
> >dead
> >> >anyway, loosen up. The odds of you getting your head lopped off are
not
> >> >any better than winning the lottery, and I dont even buy tickects to
> >that.
> >> >Have a nice day Julian, and seincerly, I hope you find some peace.
Life
> >goes
> >> >by fast.
> >>
> >>
> >> Ok, we'll have it cordial then, if you can post civilly.
> >> It's not that I have any fear that terrorists personally are going to
> >> hunt down any of us. My point is that they DO want us dead. Just
> >> like they wanted those Londoners dead and did something about it.
> >> The chances it'll happen to you or me are real slim.
> >That does not
> >> mean Bush should stop his campaign against the terrorists.
> >
> >
> >--I would agree, if his campaign was against Saudi Arabia and Pakistan,
but
> >instead, he has aligned himself with the two nations that have been known
> >for years to sponser, harbor, pay and train international terror. I, and
I
> >am not alone, think that Bush went to Iraq for reasons that have nothing
to
> >do woth terror. He opened the door for terror in Iraq. Radical Islam
knew
> >they could not defeat Saddams republican guard. But when Bush defeated
them
> >for him, you see the results. Total chaos, total destruction and
> >destabalization and no end in sight. My heart breaks for the people in
> >Iraq. I seen the same thing happen to the people of Vietnam with my own
> >eyes. It is sensless violence, and I will always be opposed to it, not
> >matter what party is in the whitehouse, congess, or senate.
> >
>
> Nonsense. Iraq has been on the chopping block for years following the
> Gulf War. And of course terrorists were friendly with Hussein.
> Besides that, I've already explained to you that Hussein attempted the
> assassination of the first Bush, he ordered his AA guns to fire on our
> planes in the no-fly zone. Besides him being a murderer, tyrant and
> father of two sadistic, rapist, murderous sons, those 2 reasons alone
> were enough to wage war on him.
> >

The non fly zones have been contesed as illegal. Bish is killing innocent
people, but saying he is doing it to keep innocent people from being killed.
Thats just silly. it makes no sense, and ut's just plain double talk. I have
never seen one shred of proof of the assassantion attempt. But you still
did not address why Bush does nothing but give free passes to the two
terrostist states of Saudia Arabia and Pakistan. 15 of the hijackers and
Bin Laen are from Saudi Arabia, and we do nothing, Bush has not caotured Bin
Laden and you do not protest. You want a war on terror, but do not protest
our wide open borders and ports. That is why I dont believe there is a war
on terror.


> >They
> >> outright hate Americans and would kill them any chance they get.
> >> To me, that gives Bush the right to bomb, kill, maim, any muslims in
> >> any muslim countries that do not police its terrorists.
> >> An impression has to be made.
> >
> >Given that statement makes it hard for me to believe you or any other
> >republicans are sincere when you say you are interested in "Iraqi
Freedom."
> >This is why when Bush tells us we are liberating them, we do not believe
> >him. Your statement confirms this war is not about democracy, freedom,
> >elections, or anything but killing as many Musloms as possible.
>
> We do believe in Iraqi Freedom.

-Sorry Julian, when you call for for the death of Isalm you cant say you
believe in Iraqi freedom too. Thats called speaking from both sides of ones
mouth, if a democrat ever tried a bait and switch like that you would never
accpet it. I cant accpet that as anything but an inconsistant argument of
convience. It does not float.

The Iraqis are just not doing their
> part. I read recently about how in a war, civilians will sometimes
> just accept the occassional bombings and deaths of their own people,
> become complacent, and figure it's just the way things are.


I can tell you from being in a war for 2 full years, that is silly, and I
think you know that. Put yourself in that place. Do you have kids? If you
seen your children blown to bits woud you just say: "Oh well, thats life."
Come on Julian. War makes uncountable individual human tradgedies everyday.
You are still not over 9-11, what makes an Iraqi different from you."



> If the Iraqis are going to allow themselves to be blown up by their
> own countrymen, and not willing to put up a fight against the
> terrorist insurgents, it makes our troops' job all the more tougher.

Then, Bush/Rumsfeld should have been wiser in their invasion plan. They were
selling some sillyness about flowers and hugs and 3-6 weeks and it will be
over. Bush cliamed it was over on a ship at sea. Now you blame the people
fo Iraq. Their country has been bombed into pebbles and dust Julian, they
have no resources, what do you exect them to do, throw rocks at the
insurgents? Remember Julian, they were invaded. How can you blame this on
them? That is not just. That is not right. They did not ask for any of this.
If a burgler breaks into your home and destroys your possestions, whos fault
is it? Would you want the police to blame it on you? Of course not.

>
> >Bombs do not target individulas, so you have said take the innocent with
the
> >guilty. So, lets take your statement. The Pentagon has a press
conferance,
> >and they say a neighbor has been bombed because a terrorist suspect was
> >rumored to be in that neighborhood. A neighborhood on the lean die would
> >have maybe a population of 100 people. If the terrorists is killed.
> >How many innocents were killed and maimed when the bombs ripped throughj
> >there destroying and buring everythingbin sight. How many had to pay for
> >the one guy?
> >
>
> The innocents are dying NOW because their neighbors, some of their own
> countrymen are killing not only US troops, but the Iraqi people.

Was it hapening before the invasion? No.


Of
> course our military is not targeting civilians.

But theys till die, because of the original invasion.

The terrorists are
> hiding behind the civilians, hiding in mosques, hiding behind women
> and children.

Because of the invasion.



ANY civilians who die is the fault of the terrorists,
> NOT our troops. Our troops are not murderers.

I did not say they are. I am saying they would not be dying if Bush had not
invaded their country.



> 1 terrorist shooting an rpg behind a group of civilians at our troops
> is the murderer of those civilians if our troops fire back and some of
> those civilians die.

If our troops were not there, no one would die that day.


> That's why the Left cannot win the military vote whatsoever. The
> military knows damn well which political party is on their side. And
> it's NOT the one calling for them to cut and run.

Death is not left or right. It's just death. You obviously have not been to
war. Cut and run is a term Juilan. When ego and greed allow thousands to
continue to die because people are to PROUD to "cut and run", that is a
crime gainst humaity, in the classic sense. Bush's oride is sinful. Bush
will not admit to a mistake. How many more will have to die for his misatke?
As long as people like you support this because you like to uphool slogans,
children will continue to be bloen to bt, ehile you find comfprt and pride
in a president who is to proud to "cu and run." There is sin in such logic.

>
> >
> >
> >> If the bombings start here, I am %100 in favor of bunker-busting
> >> Mecca.
> >
> >I am not. That is WW3. Therw ill not be anything left after that.
Carefull
> >waht you pray for.
>
> During WW2, we did not give a damn what other countries though of how
> we fought the war. We would have told them to screw off.
> That's probably the only criticism I have of Bush. He's not killing
> enough.

If you want WW3 and total destruction because the president cant admit to a
mistake or his pride will not allow him to, then you and him have some kid
of a problem with ego or self worth. You are saying if bush cant have his
way, then we'll just end the whole world as we know it. We will not swallow
our pride and try another solution. Bomb, kill, destry, and whoever is left
standing wins. You want an atmosphere that will be poisoned for thousand of
years because GW Bush says he's not going to change his policy. You want to
chance mutually assured destruction because Bush is your hero, because he
knows everything, because he;s what, GOD? Is taht it Julian, is Bush going
to bring on armageddon? Is he going to fulfill the prophecy with the
nuclear bunker busters Rumsfeld wants? Thats the real undercurent here
isn't it. Thats the new "final solution isn't is"?


> >
> >
> >> We should give ample warning that it will be done without hesitation.
> >> And damn any lesser countries crying about it.
> >
> >
> >I want to ask you a question which is directlly realted to your feelings
you
> >just posted.
> >
> >As a child, a young American black child in the south was wakend from his
> >sleep. He wached his father being dragged from his home as a cross was
being
> >burned in his yard. From the window he watched as white men beat his
father,
> >then threw a rope over a tree an hung his father to death. Before they
left,
> >they burmed down his home. That night the child witness his own personal
> >verson of 9-11 didn't he? This this happend numerous times in this
country.
> >
> >Would you fault this young Black man if, when he grew up he felt the
same
> >way about white men the way you are now feeling about Muslims? Would his
> >thrist for revenge and blood for people of the race and religion of the
ones
> >who murdered his father would be as justified as yours is?
>
>
> Apples and oranges. You forget, the terrorists had no reason
> whatsoever to kill those people on 9-11.


> No one hung their fathers. No one beat their parents.
> They hate Westerners because we're not muslim.
> If the black kid hated and murdered whites just because they're not
> black, then he would deserve punishment.
> If he hated and murdered whites just because some whites beat and hung
> his father, he would deserve punishment.
> If he hated and murdered whites just because, he would deserve
> punishment.

No Julian. It's not apples and oranges, I was comparing your anger to the
anger of the Black kid. Is his anger as justified as yours?


>
> Check out my original 300,000 Anti-American Dead Muslim Countdown.
>
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?B21461EB3
>
> It is still in effect and will take many years to accomplish.
>
>
>
>
>
> JD
>
>
> "Many of you are well enough off that ... the tax cuts may have
> helped you. We're saying that for America to get back on track,
> we're probably going to cut that short and not give it to you.
> WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THINGS AWAY FROM YOU ON BEHALF OF THE COMMON GOOD."
>
>
> -Senator Hillary Clinton, Soviet Admirer
> http://tinyurl.com/2n6lr
> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2004/06/...
>
>
> "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."
>
>
> -Karl Marx


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