Re: New models are just rubbish!


"Wolfgang Weisselberg" <ozcvgtt02@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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J <gjthsjthfk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I've been looking for a new camera for ages now and still can't find one
I
like! The problem isn't style or features or even price, it's the poor
quality images many cameras give that's the problem. I am used to 5MP or
6MP
photos taken by my Nikon D70, Canon EOS 10D, Digital Rebel and Canon
Powershot S50. The quality of these photos is there to see, sharp, clear
colourful and bright, bu the newer models with sensors having 12MP and
upwards are a joke!

Are you comparing them at the same output size?

The noise level on these are beyond a joke.

Are you comparing them at the same output size?

Who is going
to give up a 6MP camera which gives almost perfect, almost noise-free
photos
and replace it with a 14MP piece of junk that is nowhere nearly as good
as
the 6MP model?

Are you comparing them at the same output size?

I think the answer to that question is "people who don't know
shit about digital photography"? This constant cramming of pixels onto a
sensor just to make it look better to the uneducated has to stop
somewhere
surely? I tried the new Canon SX30 IS and the Nikon P500, took some
samples
home with me and thought "you must be joking"! The images are so noisy
and
unclear, yet my faithful (5MP) Canon S50 can leave it at the starting
post!
The Nikon P500 was the worst though...'image quality is shockingly bad!
Okay, my D70 'is' an SLR after all, but it's 100% crop is a hell of a lot
cleaner than the P500, by a mile.

You are comparing them at vastly different enlargements. Not
at the same output size at all. You're pixel peeping and
not understanding what you are doing.

When oh when are Canon, Nikon and co going
to get back ontrack and give us smaller MPs and less noisy images?

Special for you: a single pixel sensor. It'll have a
practically noise free single pixel at 100% view. That
should satisfy you.

Since the amplifier/digitizer noise is very small, I take any
number of pixels as long as the dynamic range is big enough
--- and scale down afterwards to your size, getting back
practically the same noise you do --- but more resolution,
and less colour artifacts.

In fact, since my sensor is much newer, I get the better
sensor with less noise problems, so I beat you.

I suppose
full-frame for all is just around the corner and we will soon have
smaller
digicams with FF sensors in them, hence 'dealing' with the problem....'or
will they do exactly the same thing to FF sensors and overcrowd them too?
I
suppose these companies prefer to sell crap to the unwitting public
rather
than produce a model that would make a discerning photographer feel proud
of
his work. Canon and Nikon have a lot to answer for!

A "discerning photographer" would know not to compare vastly
different output sizes: If you print a Minox 8x11 mm frame at
8x11 cm and a 50x60 cm (20x24 inch) ultralarge format film at 5x6
meters, they'd look the same in e.g. noise, given the same film
emulsion, exposure, development, printing. Your opinion would
be that the Minox is just as good.

Yet the Minox at a 5 meter print sucks very much, and the
ultralarge format camera completely beats the Minox in noise
at 8x11 cm, or at 50x60 cm or at 2x2.4 m. Which you completely
ignore.


Special for you: The 5D Mark II: Pixel size the same as in the 20D
(8 MPix). That should give you what you want and more.

-Wolfgang

Not too sure what you mean by "output size, but all this "scaling down" is a
bit of an unnecessary thing for me personally as I am the kind of guy who
simply takes a shot, then puts it on a website for viewing, and also print
it out on paper. The thing is, I don't print posters the size of a wall,
just take photos for my own personal use. I am also not a "student" of
photography as such, just a guy who's eyes tell him when he's looking at
something nice or something not so nice. In the ened, this is all that
matters as all photography is purely subjective...'what you like in a photo
another may not. I sense you are one of those technical blow-hards with a
huge ego, so my post is falling on deaf ears right from the start. My
question was more intended to be read by the "real" people who judge a photo
on it's looks rather than what the specs say about S/N ratio etc.,. I don't
spend a fortune on cameras as I don't have a fortune, but some of you guys
talk about them like they were free. I have to be very careful what I spend
my money on, for sure. My older cameras definetely give a much more pleasing
and clearer image at 100% crop than any of the newer stuff. Even my small
(5MP) S50 is almost noise-free...'what 14MP camera can compete with that
then? My D70 is a legend in image quality, the D80 and D90 which out came
later have nowhere near the quality of shot the D70 had and anyone with half
an eye can see that. My eyes tell me all I need to know. I have yet to hand
a photo to anyone and be asked what the technical specs of the camera were,
just either 'nice' or 'awesome' shot. Says it all really. I have fun taking
pics, I know how to set my camera up and which lens to use for a particular
shot, my comp is good, but at the end of the day if the camera wasn't giving
my eyes pleasing reults, my photography would not be as fullfilling as it
could be. This is the big problem.

J



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