Re: New models are just rubbish!

J <gjthsjthfk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I've been looking for a new camera for ages now and still can't find one I
like! The problem isn't style or features or even price, it's the poor
quality images many cameras give that's the problem. I am used to 5MP or 6MP
photos taken by my Nikon D70, Canon EOS 10D, Digital Rebel and Canon
Powershot S50. The quality of these photos is there to see, sharp, clear
colourful and bright, bu the newer models with sensors having 12MP and
upwards are a joke!

Are you comparing them at the same output size?

The noise level on these are beyond a joke.

Are you comparing them at the same output size?

Who is going
to give up a 6MP camera which gives almost perfect, almost noise-free photos
and replace it with a 14MP piece of junk that is nowhere nearly as good as
the 6MP model?

Are you comparing them at the same output size?

I think the answer to that question is "people who don't know
shit about digital photography"? This constant cramming of pixels onto a
sensor just to make it look better to the uneducated has to stop somewhere
surely? I tried the new Canon SX30 IS and the Nikon P500, took some samples
home with me and thought "you must be joking"! The images are so noisy and
unclear, yet my faithful (5MP) Canon S50 can leave it at the starting post!
The Nikon P500 was the worst though...'image quality is shockingly bad!
Okay, my D70 'is' an SLR after all, but it's 100% crop is a hell of a lot
cleaner than the P500, by a mile.

You are comparing them at vastly different enlargements. Not
at the same output size at all. You're pixel peeping and
not understanding what you are doing.

When oh when are Canon, Nikon and co going
to get back ontrack and give us smaller MPs and less noisy images?

Special for you: a single pixel sensor. It'll have a
practically noise free single pixel at 100% view. That
should satisfy you.

Since the amplifier/digitizer noise is very small, I take any
number of pixels as long as the dynamic range is big enough
--- and scale down afterwards to your size, getting back
practically the same noise you do --- but more resolution,
and less colour artifacts.

In fact, since my sensor is much newer, I get the better
sensor with less noise problems, so I beat you.

I suppose
full-frame for all is just around the corner and we will soon have smaller
digicams with FF sensors in them, hence 'dealing' with the problem....'or
will they do exactly the same thing to FF sensors and overcrowd them too? I
suppose these companies prefer to sell crap to the unwitting public rather
than produce a model that would make a discerning photographer feel proud of
his work. Canon and Nikon have a lot to answer for!

A "discerning photographer" would know not to compare vastly
different output sizes: If you print a Minox 8x11 mm frame at
8x11 cm and a 50x60 cm (20x24 inch) ultralarge format film at 5x6
meters, they'd look the same in e.g. noise, given the same film
emulsion, exposure, development, printing. Your opinion would
be that the Minox is just as good.

Yet the Minox at a 5 meter print sucks very much, and the
ultralarge format camera completely beats the Minox in noise
at 8x11 cm, or at 50x60 cm or at 2x2.4 m. Which you completely
ignore.


Special for you: The 5D Mark II: Pixel size the same as in the 20D
(8 MPix). That should give you what you want and more.

-Wolfgang
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