Re: Can't find proper XP drivers

Richard Rasker wrote:
> Op Sat, 17 Sep 2005 11:23:06 -0500, schreef Jon Dough:
>
>> Richard Rasker wrote:
>>> Hello,
>> Okay, I will bite on this obvious troll bull***.
>
> Well, I'm not quite pleased with Windows, that's true, but so is the
> request for help. I really *do* have a problem installing drivers.
>
>>> I'm trying to install XP Home for a games-addicted family member of
>>> mine, but it's not exactly easy. Apart from many big and small
>>> annoyances, I can't seem to locate VIA drivers which are acceptable
>>> for XP, which is a bit frustrating.
>>
>> That is because you are a moron.
>
> Ah, the good old Microsoft adage, "The Customer is Always Wrong". But
> in a way, you're actually right - the past seven years, I have had
> little experience with Windows, and I'm used to Linux, which supports
> almost any hardware out of the box. So indeed, I'm not very
> proficient at tackling Windows problems such as chasing drivers.
>
>> Have your game addicted family member take his/her computer to a real
>> computer tech since you obviously fail as one.
>
> They already did, twice in the past year (computer shop, to be
> precise), at a cost of some $50 each time. The reason was viruses and
> malware such as keyloggers - the machine was sluggish, popped up all
> kinds of unwanted Windows, and in the end it wouldn't properly boot
> any more.
>
> The first time, the shop didn't even bother to install Firefox, so the
> system got infected again within two months. The second time, they did
> install Firefox, but failed to remove some malware - but their
> neighbour's kid apparently took care of that. After this, it was
> quite workable for about six or seven months, but last week,
> everything went down the drain again. This time, the neighbour's kid
> couldn't fix it, and it was decided to reinstall everything from
> scratch. Because this time, they wanted a dual-boot system, they
> asked to me to install everything.
>
>> I bet you any amount of money that I could have had that computer up
>> and running within *TWO* hours OR told you what was wrong with it!
>
> I *know* what was wrong with it: countless pieces of malware, some of
> which were almost impossible to remove. And yes, perhaps you could
> have accomplished everything within two hours. No way of telling
> though.
>
>>> what I have: an KT3 Ultra 2 motherboard with an AMD Athlon 1800+
>>> CPU, and enough RAM and disk space.
>>
>> Did you even think to check the MSI website for that motherboard?
>
> Yes. And the first 4-1 driver set I installed appeared to do nothing
> at all (except force me to reboot). The second driver set,
> specifically for the sound system, first gave the same harsh XP
> warning all the other drivers gave. But I just gave it another whirl,
> and went ahead and installed it anyway ...
>
>>> XP can't recognize the VT8235 sound device, and the VT82C586B USB
>>> device, and I need drivers for these beasties. Now with Google, I
>>> can locate countless driver packages which appear to be suitable -
>>> yet each and every one of these is rejected by XP, with a warning
>>> that it
>>> doesn't comply with the Windows XP Test Logo (or something like
>>> that), and a warning in bold typeface that XP may become unstable
>>> if it is installed anyway. So I don't.
>>
>> What an idiot you are. Just because the drivers are not WHQL
>> certified, *DOES NOT* mean that they *WILL* cause problems.
>
> ... and when I confirmed to install the aforementioned drivers anyway,
> something crashed after a few seconds: "Audio Deck has encountered an
> error and will be shut down. Our apologies for the inconvenience ...
> yadda yadda probably some data loss yadda yadda tell M$ about this
> problem yadda yadda ...". Wonderful. Just like the Windows I
> remembered from seven years ago. Click'n'crash. But I noticed that
> progress has been made: this time, the crash didn't take the rest of
> the system down with it.
>
> And the funny thing is that this error message now pops up after every
> boot. I guess something got installed with the earlier attempts, even
> though I aborted those ...
>
>> As I stated earlier, it is quite obvious that you are no computer
>> tech.
>
> I am a computer tech, and quite a good one too - as long as I'm not
> dealing with Windows. I guess Windows is a bit too difficult to
> properly install and maintain for a simple Linux guy like me. That's
> why I came to this group, for a bit of advice.
>
>>> I've been working on this install for over eight hours now,
>>> downloading driver package after driver package, testing each one
>>> for viruses, and then trying them out - but I couldn't locate one
>>> which is blessed by
>>> M$. Even the ones from VIA-arena seem unfit, and on the M$ website,
>>> nothing suitable can be found. So after all this work, I'm still
>>> stuck with a pretty much useless machine.
>>
>> Sounds like you *DO NOT* know what you are doing.
>
> Does anyone dealing with Windows knows what he's doing? The system is
> a total black box, so I can't check anything about the drivers
> beforehand. I can't find out why XP doesn't like them. Hell, I can't
> even be sure the stuff I find is safe. And now it turns out stuff
> *does* get installed after all, even when the installation is
> aborted. Very crappy.
>
> And I know precisely what I'm doing: I'm trying to be very careful to
> install only what is needed, and what is acceptable for XP. So far,
> however, this appears to be impossible to accomplish.
>
>>> Can anyone tell me where I can find the right drivers for the
>>> devices mentioned?
>>
>> Ever thought to check the MSI site for driver downloads? Probably
>> not, since you fail as a computer tech.
>
> I did, as mentioned above, with some "interesting" results. By the
> way, apart from the error messages upon booting, the sound now seems
> to work.
>
> Still, I'm still interested in M$ blessed drivers. Can anyone else
> tell me where to find these?
>
>>> (It's rather puzzling why M$ has no trouble maintaining huge
>>> databases with information on millions of customers, yet fails to
>>> provide a list of perhaps several thousand certified drivers, and
>>> their locations ...
>>
>> BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH, you moron. Why should it be up to Microsoft to
>> maintain a database of drivers for all known hardware to mankind?
>> Ever stop to think that responsibility should fall on the hardware
>> manufacturer?
>
> Because the greedy bastards take everyone's money and in return expect
> everyone (developers, driver writers and all the rest of the world) to
> play by their rules. But OK, I can fully understand that the task
> mentioned, and which the Linux community seems to manage just fine
> (often even without manufacturer's support), is completely beyond M$'
> capabilities.
>
>>> Anyway, this'll be the last Windows machine I install, ever, so I'll
>>> just stop wondering about it. In most respects, Linux is way ahead
>>> of this rubbish anyway (45 minutes install time, with all drivers
>>> and a *huge* amount of usable software, no fuss about viruses
>>> etcetera), so I'll stick to that - as I have for the past seven
>>> years.)
>>
>> Ahhh, now we are to the meat of the matter and all has been
>> explained. Linux has made you fucking stupid. Watch out, next you
>> will begin engaging in unsafe homosexual anal activities.
>
> Linux has made me lazy. I pop in a DVD, hit Enter a few times, come up
> with a couple of passwords, and presto: a fully functional, secure
> system, loaded with tons of software, within 45 minutes.
>
> And about unsafe activities: using Windows is one of the most
> practised unsafe activities. And I'm doing my best here to keep it as
> safe as possible.
>
>>> Thanks in advance for any suggestion,
>>
>> Get fucked in advance!
>
> Nah, not on the Internet. But thank you so much for your reply, which
> helped me explain the problem in further detail.
>
>
> Richard Rasker

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