Re: Mid-Back Stretch for Fibromyalgia - guaifenesen protocol

Ya know, one fact shoots hell out of a lot of theory.
The guai protocol has been attempted, with very diligent
efforts. But it simply didn't work. There always seemed to be
yet another thing to cause it to be less than optimum.
There was even a group created for people trying to make it work,
it simply didn't happen.

HOWEVER, if Dr Holick is correct, half the people here have
undiagnosed adult rickets-like condition. One of the people that
was one of the most prolific writers in this newgroup, Dierdre,
decided to pursue the vitamin D route. And now she's gone.
Others might consider it.

Others might also consider that they may be hypothyroid. After
all, if a person's insulin were measured, they wouldn't be seen
as diabetic. But in fact, their body has developed a resistance to
their existing insulin. That has been recognized. Same for thyroid
hormones. Just because the levels are right doesn't mean a
dysfunction doesn't exist. Especially after a likely long history of
catecholamine production in the typically Type-A personality.
And a thyroid dysfunction can be very involved with production
of depression, or in your and others' cases, mania.

From my research over a few years, especially in myalgia, a few
important facts loom heavily. First, if a person tests at 4.5 mIU/
liter,
they are seen as okay. But the Am. Assn. of Clinical Endocrinologists
encouraged doctors to consider treatment of patients testing out of
the
narrower range of 0.3-3.0 mlU/liter. That happens to be a big
difference.
Some very valid authorities have even suggested that the upper limit
of
normal be contracted to 2.5 mlU/liter. An extraordinary difference
from
an upper limit of normal for TSH of nearly twice as high.

Next important fact is regarding the part I get involved with most,
the
muscles. Serum T4 causes relaxation of skeletal muscle resistance
arterioles. That indicates the importance of thyroid hormones for
vascular function.
Thyroid hormones behave as vasodilators acting directly on vascular
smooth muscle cells. Hypothyroid subjects show increased systemic
vascular resistance and vasoconstriction in systemic and renal
vessels.
READ THAT AGAIN. Low thyroid means the muscles have elevated
resistance. They get less oxygenation, they get rid of metabolites
poorly. So the muscles ache, and my massage helps, but transiently.
As does well-directed stretching, gentle exercise not directed toward
strength, but mobility. But far better to be appropriately managed by
an endocrinologist that sees that the "good numbers" are not as
good as the overall medical community sees them.

Well, I've given more information than I prefer to do, I'm not going
to get
embroiled in a discussion of what's okay and what isn't, my activity
with
hypothyroid is mainly a RL (real life) issue, and anybody that wants
to
convince their doctor to do things differently is going to have to get
their
material from someone other than me.

But as far as the guai protocol, I suggest that there is not a lot of
future
in it for the poorly diagnosed "fibromyalgia patient".


On Jan 25, 9:44 am, David <pchristain...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Would you also give your opinion of the guaifenesen protocol?

I don't think it would help me personally but I am curious
whether you think a defect in the kidney might be at the
root of the problem for some FMers.

David Christainsen

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