Re: Try Herbs for Fibromyalgia Symptoms

And what I said to her, after she read the same commentary
regarding Vitamin D that I posted to anyone that cares to read it,
is that she needs to have her Vitamin D level checked.

It is not the patient's job to tell the doctor what is likely to be
the problem.

Interesting how when I showed that it was very valid for any
number of clinicians to have minimally pressed on her sternum to
rule out a condition that presents many of the symptoms of
fibromyalgia, you attempted to divert attention to her breasts.

Ya know, sometime along the line I may get around to noting
that I deal with COUPLES. Oh, that's right. I mention that routinely,
but margo seems not to notice.

On Apr 8, 6:52 pm, saavik <saa...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
And yet _you_ don't do diagnosis, Unh-uh, you're not qualified.
What did you tell her the pain meant, or did you just proceed with your
specialty breast massage?

What I would suggest is that anyone who suspects they might have vitamin
deficiencies go see their _qualified medical professional_ about it.
Michael has about as much justification to tell PWFMS they have a
vitamin deficiency as Irondude has to tell them that they have an iron
overload.

Margo

Michael B wrote:
Wow, for once you are at least partially correct. Indeed, her anger
was because her doctors would never do it. But should have.
For the others, since I realize margo doesn't read sites very well,
here's a doctor telling about osteomalacia and some of its symptoms.
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1495109

For those others that might be looking for an alternative to the FMS
diagnosis they've been given, you might want to read the comment
made by the doctor after having mentioned the 'thumb pressure on
the sternum'.
****begin quote*****

On physical examination the application of minimum pressure with
the thumb on the sternum, anterior tibia or radius and ulna will
often
elicit pain and discomfort, which is a helpful diagnostic sign for
osteomalacia. Vitamin D deficiency also causes muscle weakness
and muscle aches and pains. Glerup et al.4 reported that 88% of
Danish women of Arab decent who presented with muscle pains
and weakness (symptoms similar to fibromyalgia) were severely
vitamin D deficient.
****end quote****

Did everybody get that? 88% of the women presenting with symptoms
similar to fibromyalgia were severely deficient in Vitamin D.

On Apr 8, 5:17 pm, saavik <saa...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

IOW, you admit to being a total hack. So you pressed on that lady's
sternum and it hurt. Wow, what a breakthrough; something her doctors
would certainly never do. But I wonder if that lady was wise to let you
anywhere near her breasts? {:>P~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Margo
PS Your pseudo-pop-psychcobable concerns me not at all. Rant, rave, set
yourself on fire if you wish, but I will continue to post as and where
_I_ will.

Michael B wrote:

You just can't stay away from anything I post, can you?
But you do provide me with amusement, and for that I
certainly do express my appreciation.
Diagnose? Nope, I don't do that. Treat it? Nope, not that either.
Nutritionist? Nope, I don't claim to be.
All I do is show people how to do safe and effective massage
on the person that has FMS.
And I'll leave the diagnosis and treatment of FMS to the
professionals. Among them the ones that don't even see it
as a real condition. If I had it, I wouldn't be putting a lot of
faith on the doctors, from what I've seen.
15 minutes ago, I left a lady that has been complaining about
widespead pain. Bunches of rather expensive, nonformulary meds.
I pushed on her sternum and it hurt, a lot. She now knows what
she should do, and why. And while she's changing doctors and
demanding a Vitamin D assessment, she's likely to be asking
why none of the professionals had done what I did.

And margo, I doubt that I will shut up just because you tell me to.

On Apr 8, 12:50 am, saavik <saa...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Why don't you STFU Michael. You have no experience with Fibro since you
neither have the disease, nor any medical qualifications to diagnose or
treat it. Nor are you a nutritionist like Maureen in Mukilteo, who has
more than once had to straighten up your misleading misinformation. In
short, there is no basis for anyone to take your recommendations seriously.

Margo

Michael B wrote:

Might as well accept it that a site talking about pain
relief and energy is probably going to be of no use to
most people. After all, they'll tell you that nothing works
for them.
But ya know, there just might be a newcomer lurking that
just might appreciate new info.
But at the risk of being told to stop, and knowing that I won't,
I suggest the book "Foods That Fight Pain" by Barnard.

And just throwing in "Healing Psoriasis" by Pagano.

On Apr 7, 5:52 pm, DebbieK <d...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Carl wrote:

Carolyn Chambers Clark - use edit/find on "herbs"
http://www.carolynchambersclark.com/id46.html

Let's trade promising urls for pain relief and energy.

Oh just stop.


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