Re: Tobacco/diet and exercise/Fibro

Keep in mind they all have issues!
Sometimes better just to have a play toy instead LOL

A comment was passed to me if I will be moving in with my "new toy" soon.
The answer to that would be why would I make the same mistake twice!

CB

"Carol J" <carolj@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Well if you know a good straight one with an income, send it my way:-)

Carol J

"Cheeky ***" <InvalidEmail@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Well that and a good piece of ass helps too LOL

"saavik" <saavik@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Carol, your experience included a hell of a lot more than a better
diet and gentle exercise. Are you then suggesting that what we all
need is bariatric surgery and weightloss too?

Margo

Carol J wrote:
man, rosie......does your ego ever quit? How arrogant you sound in
this post! You sound as if you've been our good teacher and we've
all been bad and not kept up with your slant on FM..........like we
ain't got the sense God gave a jackass to think things thru for
ourselves. If I thought I liked you before, I've sure changed my
mind after today! Boy, I'd sure hate to have no hope like you that
we have no control over how we feel every single day for the rest
of our lives! If I had no hope I'd have to go blow my brains out !
But the fact is I DO feel better and I DO sleep better and I DO
have a better outlook on life in general and it's because I DO eat
better, I DO do gentle exercise and I DO take supplements to have
fewer fibro flares. Now you can accept that or not, I really dont'
give a good rats ass. You just hit my kilfile, just cuz you're
being an ass today. Maybe when you grow the hell up and realize
that there's more than ONE path to the right solution for us then
I'll remove you from it. But somehow I don't think that's gonna be
anytime soon. I've never seen ANYONE as closed minded as you.


"Rosemarie Shiver" <post147@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Sure and I have many times, Renee,

FMS is an intractable chronic pain condition that consists of
widespread
chronic pain and sleep disturbance and fatigue. Inthatorder.The
order is flipped for CFS.

FM'ers suffer from a lack of (or no) Stage 4 sleep. FM'ers
also have at
least a double level of Substance P (a biochemical that enhances the
transmission of pain signals). Some have up to 6 times the amount in
their
cerebrospinal fluid as normals do. It takes a spinaltap but it's a
reliableindicatorof the severity of FM any individual has.

And yes,Renee, there are FM'ers who have Primary FM and only
that. Otherwise healthy and hale peoples.

There are other measurable scientific criteria ( such as the
ACR tender
point count) and some other common conditions that most FM'ers
share. These
other indices are very useful for research as to what
could/might/maybe stop
the pain at the root of it. Where that root is is still unknown
but the slate of usual suspects is narrowing. And poor diet and
reduced mobility aren't there....even tho' many in the medical
community make it convenient
to their bottom line at tax time for it to be so. I despise what the
Cleveland Clinic is pulling on us FM'ers. Might as well see Dr, Dean
Edell
for help, eh? And what's wrong with opiates for severe FM pain that
nothing
else masks? Better than self-medicating with alcohol any
day...because ppl.
in pain get blue brains ( on the PET scan) and alcohol is a
depressant.

Given these undeniable facts of just the first 2...what will
help give us
Stage 4 sleep AND reduce the amount of Substance P in our brains and
spinal
cords?

Ain't diet nor exercise. Most of what we eat never gets to our
brains anyway because the blood/brain barrier blocks most larger
molecules. Only a
few very critical smaller ones get thru...so whut has diet to do
with it? If
there's anything Deeds tried to make clear it was this. She was
looking into
ATP and the mitochondria in every cell as where the dysfunction
starts and
that could pan out too. Which would mean our mothers are to blame
that we get FM. LOL

I know tons of FM'ly that go to sleep exhausted and wake up that
way. Exhaust yerself summore burning up those calories and see if
it makes one whit of difference to the amount of restorative sleep
ya get. It doesn't and
that's a scientific fact...a measurable neurological artifact that's
readily
reproducible.


I'm sure Acoftil will see the humor in our sitting around
eating loads
of turkey for the brain and sleep benefits and then we wind up as IF
drugged
out and lazily lolling on our couches. Can you even believe anyone
would be
back to that kind of description of FM'ers? Wasn't that pre-2000
that the ignorant MD's were saying that of FM wimmenz? 200o at the
latest, anyway...unless there are pus pockets in the medical
establishment reforming
as we speak.

So I'm counting on neuroscience to be our solution. The
neurologists
actually are starting to sit up and take notice because of "numbers
too big
to ignore".

Yes, I trust the science to solve the puzzle. They said it
wouldn't happen for HIV and now it's in most cases a situation of
supply and demand
rather than a death or disability sentence.

But this diet and exercise stuff...with nothing but "because I
said so"as medicine to help? No way, no how, fergitaboudit.

Ain't gonna be hair of the dog homeopathy, tho'...ya BRAT ya.
LOL I'm
still immune from fog as of this moment annd I don't forget.

Sheesh...I take a little time off and ya all backslide and
fergit whut
you know about FM facts. Who's the slackers, huh?

I'm really worried about Lampy and johnie and Kathy in Sacto
dieting
and exercising themselves into tiny little dust motes and being
blown away
because they aren't starting out with much to speak of right now!
<ducking>
Perhaps that's what happened to the already skinny and sleep
deprived Kathi
the #1 Poster, hmmm?

Renee the Bratty Hugs,
Rosie S.
Dame of Dementia


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