Re: Western and Eastern Medicine Compared

no, youngster - it's not about 'they know everything.' -

but many here sure know a wide and varied amount that your 'impression'
doesn't account for.

let's address some of the things you have written in your various posts:

yinyangdragons@xxxxxxxxx wrote:

Name and website withheld to anoy the trolls on this group who think
they know evetything.

Kelvin

you call someone a 'troll' for not agreeing with your appropriation of
someone else's work:

it's about honoring the work of others - in this post: Al Stone -
beyondwellbeing.com

by not attributing the actual author you are

A) plagiarizing the work of another [ it's one of those pesky legal
issues], and
B) being supercilious towards those on this 'group who don't believe is
presenting unattributed tracts...

the only respectful [respect for the author] thing is to use quotation
marking.

you were called upon your first posting because you neither used quote
markings, nor attributed it - thus giving some the entirely justified
impression that it was being presented as 'your' writing.

and, just for your information, for several folk here - perhaps many -
nothing you've been posting is new or unknown.
not the materials, nor the specific authors who wrote the pieces.

the basic mistake you are making is to presume that you are the sole bearer
of insight. rather than introduce yourself and ask for comment on what
'you' think, you just throw [ unattributed ] information out ...

hardly the friendliest or most open approach...showing up unknown, using a
new gmail addy , and plunking your anonymous self into a 'group is bound to
raise the normal, human, question of 'who does this clown think he/she is
dealing with?'

an example is your writing

over 4000 yrs of clinical results...

presumably you actually meant to write/convey 4000 years of empirically
gathered data/information.

given how so much of mankind's knowledge has been gathered thru 'trial and
error' over millennia, 'clinical' only obscures your reasoning. and the
literal term would only apply to contemporary times, which is clearly not
what you meant for someone to understand - but it is what you wrote...

or

Ying is a 24hr cycle not just nights. It follows the circadian rhythms...

when - of course - the circadian rhythm is not a strict 24 hours cycle, but
rather that of each individual body. some as short as 11 hours, some as
long as 40+. you oversimplify a rather complex physiological occurrence and
in doing so appear ignorant of the actuality.

further, you write > Can't say that acupuncture as it is being practiced in
the States or in China will work as it is an incomplete Comunist version
of what it was.

hmmmm...sorry that wherever you live that is the case.

many that i know will disagree 'empirically' with you, i for one.

i had my first traditionally [you wrote 'classic'] applied acupuncture
treatments via referral by a western doctor to an 87 year old practitioner
[no >shift in paradigm] in the lower east side of nyc in 1967. and have had
no problem finding others as i had traveled and moved around this country
and canada. i don't need to 'look it up', i've lived it.

you also wrote:
Actually you don't add heat until 72 hrs later. When it is inflamed, hot
you don't in duce heat. It will cause further >bleeding from the same
rupture capillaries that the ice wouldn't let heal.

overreaching in your conclusion. the total health and capability of the
individual should determine the timing. by way of example i was taught how
to open or constrict capillaries as a part of my meditation and energy
work. however, excluding my personal example, you do not take into account
those injuries where there is no rupture of capillaries, only fluid
infusion for the strain.

you wrote:
"san huang" which means three yellows

more complete and factual, it is the names of The Legendary Three
Sovereigns [emperors]: Fu Xi, Shen-nung, and Yen-ti
whose teachings were of essential survival. just saying >"san huang"
doesn't specify pian or the many other combinations yi gan,
hsieh-hsin-tang, and on and on.

are you aware that these, and so many others, have been studied for decades
in virtually every western country? studied for the purpose of determining
the actual active dosage levels since in raw, unprocessed form, active
chemical levels vary so widely...

you write:
Reiki is amazing, you should get back into it.

without any background, or personal experience shared. not that i disagree
with the comment, after all my stepbrother [now passed] is a reiki master
and energy healer -

Why was there a ban on ephedra?

hmmmm...mostly because of the widely inaccurate active dose amounts from
tablet to tablet in Ma huang and sida cordifolia, and pinellia, shipment to
shipment, as well as the significantly high occurrences of harmful
substances like arsenic, mercury etc. found in shipments from undocumented
factories overseas...and are you aware that something on the order of 95%
of all samples tested from 'traditional' herbal dealers came up
contaminated?

to quote you: look it up. you'll find the agency has a high regard for
history and tradition, but that doesn't outweigh the opportunistic and
profit motivated purveyors selling tainted goods:

"While respecting the traditional uses of herbal medicines, their long
history of use, and their potential health benefits, NCCAM believes that
ephedra poses unique public health risks that warrant the FDA's actions to
prohibit the sale of ephedra-containing dietary supplements."

as a result, you write in a rather pontifical manner, and it would be nice
to think that was not your intention...

this is only to point out that your personal experience seems to be quite
limited. are you at all interested in the many wonderful 'other'
experiences folks here have had?

bottom line: you're coming across as presumptuous - and condescending...one
reason [ but only one ] that i say condescending is your assumption that
folk haven't had acquaintance with the authors you have copied from - that
they would need to google it...

on the theory that you do not intend for anything like that impression to
be given - care to start over?

how about that old hi! my name is kelvin and here's some stuff i find
really interesting and useful...what do you guys think?

try enticing a 'discussion'; most here aren't interested in a lecture from
an unknown entity. you might find folk here who know as much - or more -
about it than you do...

paul


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