Re: Oxycontin and FMS

Like Rosie and others I usually always top post and we've been over this
netiquette issue before. Some netiquette sites nix bottom posting and
others nix top posting. Bottom posting drives me nutz but I deal with
it.

It also drives me nuts when ppl write looooooooong msgs all in lower
case and w/o paragraphs because my eyes jump around, get double vision
and or blurry (likely the cataracts) so I can't read those posts and
wish I could. Lack of paragraphs is really annoying but again I deal
with it. Nobody made me the queen of the unmoderated NG so I figure
just go with the flow.

I'm pasting all the netiquette links I posted in January 2004 when
Kiyoshi was still here and this topic came up. That post was SJ
Netiquette in bulk and came as a result of SJ OT long posts J Here they
are. Happy reading. Those SJ's should be googleable :)

I realize I am 'top' posting *and* making this a long post; hopefully
for helpful reasons. I've posted individual netiquette sites and
multiple sites as I am here off and on since I joined the NG - can't
make ppl read or follow the 'rules' so just have to be flexible. I
think I'll also make a separate post should anyone be interested in
reading or filing the sites.

--
* ;o)'s Archer^Jo^Lula reporting from the Tower of Babble
* Latitude 42.238, Longitude -83.687
* FMS page: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/eccentricity/fms_etc.html
* Ltr to Normals: http://www.healingtides.net/a_letter_to_normals.html
* My site: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/eccentricity/

Here's what I wrote to Kiyoshi
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: OT long posts J
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 02:03:22 -0500
From: Archer <me@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Organization: Tower of Babble
Newsgroups: alt.med.fibromyalgia

Hi Kiyoshi,

Proving your point this is what I found on netiquette sites, e.g.

January 3, 2004
http://www.mvps.org/access/netiquette.htm
8.Be thoughtful of bandwidth and other folks' thought processes.
a. Trim the messages you are replying to.
i. Include quotes, but not excessive ones.
ii. The standard rule of thumb is to include only enough to
"jog" the person's memory.
iii. Please include =something= of the message you are replying
to however. With 300+ messages a day, it's not always easy
to remember what was discussed!

November 18, 2003
http://www.albion.com/netiquette/book/0963702513p40.html
And many news-reading programs are slow, so just opening a posted note
or article can take a while. Then the reader has to wade through all the
header information to get to the meat of the message. No one is pleased
when it turns out not to be worth the trouble. See "Netiquette for
Discussion Groups" on page 65 for detailed rules.

Trimming is something I (and others) need to work on. I'm getting
better but there's always room for improvement. :) Respecting tried and
true works for me.

Not old fashioned (nor are you) as
good manners never go out of style, Jo

Mon, 05 Jan 2004 Kiyoshi wrote:

Trimming has been the "habit" since the beginning of usenet. I don't
believe it is unrealistic to expect people new to usenet to respect
tried-and-true netiquette standards. But then, I may just be old
fashioned.

--
Kiyoshi - The reverse side also has a reverse side

Here's Netiquette in bulk
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Netiquette in bulk ;)
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 07:09:54 -0500
From: Archer <me@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Organization: Tower of Babble
Newsgroups: alt.med.fibromyalgia

Just some sites I found. Excuse no OT. Should netiquette be OT?
While alot of info is repetitive, advice and even 'rules' vary
on different sites.

Sites I've kept on file:

For the humor LOL
Brad Templeton - humorous site
http://www.templetons.com/brad/billg.html
Last modified July 15, 2003

Virgina Shea's site
http://www.albion.com/netiquette/
Last Modified January 2, 2004

Arlene H. Rinaldi's site
http://wise.fau.edu/netiquette/net/
Last modified February 14, 2002

Sally Hambridge's site - Intel Corporation
Scroll-> 3.1.1 General Guidelines for mailing lists and NetNews
http://www.cybernothing.org/cno/docs/rfc1855.html
Last Modified March 19, 1997

T. R. Iwaniw's site
http://www.iwaniw.gq.nu/netqtt.html#netiquette
Last modified January 2, 2002

Sites just found
The Access Web - Netiquette
http://www.mvps.org/access/netiquette.htm
January 3, 2004

Netiquette for Newsgroups, Bulletin Boardsand Discussion
http://www.advicemeant.com/netiquet/usenet.shtml
Updated January 2003

Usenet Netiquette
http://www.cns.yorku.ca/computing/internet/usenetnetiquette.html
Last modified November 25, 2002

FAQ: Current Usenet spam thresholds and guidelines
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/spam-faq/
Last Update January 4, 2004

Basic information on how to use Usenet in general
http://www.telusplanet.net/public/mycroft/wtcg.htm
Last modified November 13, 2003

Why it is sensible to observe the Netiquette
http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/http/netiquet.html
Last modified November 9, 2003

The basic rules of "netiquette"
--nixes top posting
other sites nix bottom posting, go figure--
http://www.zedtoo.demon.co.uk/jcode/basic.html
Last modified May 4, 2002

Cancel Messages: Frequently Asked Questions
i.e. how to cancel your own - See "G"
http://killfile.org/~tskirvin/faqs/cancel.html#I.G.
text-only version http://killfile.org/~tskirvin/faqs/cancel.faq
Last modified March 24, 2002

Usenet Advice for WebTV Customers
http://www.watchingyou.com/webtv.html
Updated November 27, 1999

Usenet Access Guide:
http://members.aol.com/bombagirl/freeware/ua.txt

Addendum FYI/reminders
(as if we all shouldn't know this stuff but ...)

FAQ: Current Usenet spam thresholds and guidelines
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/spam-faq/
Last Update January 4, 2004

It is generally considered rude to post private e-mail correspondence
without the permission of the author of that mail, and furthermore, it's
likely a copyright violation as well.

------
http://www.albion.com/netiquette/
Last Modified January 2, 2004

You are not the center of cyberspace

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http://wise.fau.edu/netiquette/net/
Last modified February 14, 2002

When someone posts an off-subject note, and someone else criticizes that
posting, you should NOT submit a gratuitous note saying "well, I liked
it and lots of people probably did as well and you guys ought to lighten
up and not tell us to stick to the subject".

Take the time to edit any quotations down to the minimum necessary to
provide context for your reply. Nobody likes reading a long message in
quotes for the third or fourth time, only to be followed by a one line
response: "Yeah, me too."

Resist the temptation to "flame" others
-----

Wed, 15 Feb 2006 Rosemarie Shiver wrote:

Dear Mikey,

Top posting isn't lazy, <snip>
we top post from necessity.

If you or whoever don't like it..too bad. That's how it is and as far as
I am concerned (won't speak for LC on this point) I ain't changing it <snip>

So continue complaining if ya must, Mikey dear...but it won't change
what I do and it'll fall on deaf ears for me. Here and at the Gimp NG it's
post any which way you can as the accepted convention. I do indeed dearly
wish that some who complain about posting style would find another thing to
complain about.

To both of you guyz: play nice at AMF.Ya don't want to piss off Rosie.
You both know how bad I can get. :-)

Luv and Hugs,
Rosie S.
Dameof Dementia

"MikesBrain" <Mike@xxxx> wrote in message
news:HHEIf.6189$dT4.1818@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
2006-02-15, Responding to LooseCannon...

<snip>

(Top posting is lazy, and makes a mess
of things when a post turns into a thread)

And so it would seem that your responses didn't make the
kind of sense to me you thought they would. Ok, so we've got
things on the wrong track.

<snip>

Or was that a "bad day" coming through unintentionally?

Wanna start over?

P.S. I don't get nasty BTW, I get funny, Brit-style! :)

Mike@xxxx
.

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