Re: This is a good auction

On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 12:18:26 -0400, Rick Merrill
<rick0.merrill@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>R. Totale wrote:
>> On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 10:34:41 -0400, Rick Merrill
>> <rick0.merrill@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
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>>>R. Totale wrote:
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>>>>On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 13:30:23 -0400, Rick Merrill
>>>><rick0.merrill@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>>>>>Don Lancaster wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Rick Merrill wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>Titled Gentleman wrote:
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I have just reported him to as I hate shill bidders.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>(new here): How can you tell the bidder is a shill?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Shill bidding is of no consequence whatsoever to an intelligent eBay
>>>>>>bidder.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.tinaja.com/glib/ebaybuy.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>>sUCH a strategy is not completely immune to shilling IF you let the
>>>>>shill bid change your mind about how much you're willing to proxy up.
>>>>>
>>>>>But, other responders said they could figure out "shill bidders" and I
>>>>>wanted to hear what clues they used to ascertain that information.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I know one of my competitors is shilling, because every time an item
>>>>he's paid to much for at the real world auction we both attend is
>>>>heading for selling on eBay for less than he paid for it, his magical
>>>>friend (who bids only on his auctions) comes in and either boosts it
>>>>over the top if the underbidder proxied enough
>>>
>>>That part is clear.
>>>
>>>
>>>>or saves it for another
>>>>day if he hasn't.
>>>
>>>Soooo does he/she get stuck buying from themselves, leaving feedback
>>>(glowing, no doubt) for themselves?
>>>
>>
>>
>> When he's paid $800 and its going to go for $500 (which I've seen
>> happen) paying the FVF fee on his shill is a bargain. He used to leave
>> FB for his shill more often, but now does it for only about 1 in 20
>> "sales", probably to allay suspicion.
>>
>>
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>
>And since they sound like a competitor, how come you haven't convinced
>eBay that this is going on?

I know he's shilling because I have information not visible on line to
eBay (I was there when he bought the stuff in the first place, they
weren't, so I know when the shill has to kick in to save his ass -
it's how I noticed it in the first place). I've got no means to prove
it to them without hearsay which if I was them I'd ignore.
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