Re: Looking for partners in US

"J. Carroll" <n...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

Leo wrote:
"J. Carroll" <n...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

Leo wrote:
"J. Carroll" <n...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

One thing that gets lost in the Chinese manufacturing discussions
I've seen is that much of what is made in China, most probably,
isn't exported at all. 50 years from now, if the Chinese can keep
their country together without civil war erupting, the Chinese
economy will dwarf that of North America. That's a huge "if" by the
way. China is already a lot closer to a new farmers rebellion than
anything else. The last numbers I have say that at a minimum, China
experience 70,000 incidents of civil disorder in a single year.
Entire villages have been wiped out in some instances. That number
is thought to be low.

Where your info come from?

Many sources, including family members in your courts, one is a
judge.

Well, my mother from GuangXi, my father from GuangDong, I have travel
every where of the tow provinces, in this point "Entire villages have
been wiped out in some instances", I can make sure it is more than
100% nonsense, but in other province, maybe quite different, let me
suppose that communist government kill many information in secret, OK,
ShenZhen is a new city, my friends from every inch of country, I just
could not remember even one time which my friends mention that his
hometown is in so hot water, your info even confuse me, am I something
wrong? Just don't know, shrug.

I can provide as much documentation as you would like.



Why don't you tell me about the job Fair riots?

If I understand correct, you are mentioning that some riots about the
job. OK, it is true, in my city, I have seen it three times by my
eyes, every time is because the factory go to bankrupt, the boss
disappear, the workers could not get theri salary, the vendor could
not get their payment, just lead to riot. most the case is happen like
that, some case is other reason... not so frequent as I know. I don't
think China government own guilty in these case, they also try to
drive some big boss to build labor union in theri factory, strongly
against from these company, many from democrocy country, especially
Wal-mart.

China isn't matching it's educational output to its needs.
See Below:

Students Grow Desperate Over China's Tight Job Market; Tensions Erupt at
Employment Fair; Bleak Prospects Seen for Many 2007 Grads

Edward Cody
Washington Post Foreign Service
The Washington Post
Copyright 2006, The Washington Post Co. All Rights Reserved
A tide of more than 30,000 students with polished resumes and high hopes
surged into a job fair here so eager to meet with employers that they
shattered four glass doors and splayed the side walls of an escalator in
what became a near riot.

As the crowd of youths swelled out of control, students and security guards
said, police tried to beat back the throng but to no avail. Pushing,
screaming and climbing over one another, the students charged on, heading
for the booths inside the Zhongyuan International Exhibition Center, where
company recruiters waited with the keys to China's new economy.

"You didn't even need to walk in the main hall, because people were sweeping
you along all the time," said Hou Shuangshuang, 23, an e-commerce major with
long hair who was among the students who overflowed the job fair when it
opened Sunday. "At some points, your feet couldn't even touch the ground."

Hou and her classmates from Zhengzhou University, along with students from
other schools in this Henan province city about 500 miles south of Beijing,
provided a dramatic example of rising anxiety over employment among millions
of Chinese students. After years in which graduates were ensured of a good
job in the fast-growing economy, the number of degree-holders has
outstripped the number of jobs, and the guarantees have evaporated.

"I don't think we have a very bright future," said Yu Honghua, 23, another
e-commerce major at Zhengzhou University who shoved her way into the fair.
"I saw only one company that needed students who majored in e-commerce, and
they just needed one person."

The disappointment voiced by Yu and others in her situation has become a
major worry for the Chinese Communist Party. An open-ended rise in living
standards, particularly for the educated middle class, has been part of an
unspoken pact under which the party retains a monopoly on political power
despite the country's turn away from socialism.

So far, the party has delivered on its part of the bargain: The economy has
grown by more than 9 percent a year recently, and the main beneficiaries
have been educated urbanites. Content to claim their share in the
prosperity, most students have shown little interest in politics since the
Tiananmen Square protests of 1989.

But a large pool of unemployed or underemployed university graduates, some
analysts have suggested, could become a new breeding ground for opposition.
An educated opposition, they said, would have far more organizational and
ideological ability -- and present a greater threat to the government --
than the left-behind farmers who have been the main source of unrest in
recent years.

The Labor and Social Security Ministry estimated recently that as many as
4.9 million youths will graduate from universities by the end of 2007, up by
nearly 20 percent over 2006. Another 49.5 million will graduate from high
school, also a 20 percent increase. The sharp climb in graduation rates
represents a dramatic improvement in the lives of many Chinese, made
possible by the economic transformation that has taken place here over the
past quarter-century.

But indications have emerged that, booming as it is, the economy may not be
able to absorb that many degree-holders into the jobs for which they are
being trained. "The fact is that it's very hard for college students to get
the right job these days," said Zhang Xuxin, a Zhengzhou student with
close-cropped hair and plastic-rimmed glasses who plans to pursue
postgraduate studies next year. "You may have a job, but it's very hard to
have an ideal one."

A waitress in a German restaurant near Beijing's Ritan Park, for instance,
said she has been looking for work in the computer industry since graduating
last summer, but in the meantime, she has to serve sausages and beer to pay
the rent because nothing is available in her field.

Tian Chengping, the labor and social security minister, predicted that about
1.2 million of the 2007 university graduates will have similar trouble
finding employment. As a result, his ministry announced Tuesday, colleges
will be forced to restrict admissions into study programs with low
postgraduate employment rates. At a conference in Beijing, ministry
officials said they also are seeking to improve employment counseling for
high school graduates who do not plan to attend college.

Tensions over employment after graduation have exploded repeatedly in recent
months, betraying the pressure students say they feel. Students at Shengda
Economics, Trade and Management College, affiliated with Zhengzhou
University, rioted in June when they discovered that their diplomas would
not be the same as those from the university itself, putting them at a
disadvantage in job hunting. A similar riot erupted last month at the
Ganjiang Vocational and Technical Institute in Jiangxi province south of
here. The Hong Kong-based Information Center for Human Rights and Democracy
has recorded 10 such disturbances since summer.

Zhang, who studied liberal arts with a major in English, said students from
provincial universities such as Zhengzhou's have the most difficulty finding
appropriate jobs. Those from the "top 10," he said, usually find employment
immediately. The employment center director at Beijing's prestigious
Tsinghua University said, for example, that every 2007 Tsinghua graduate
should be able to choose from five job offers.

But Yu and Hou, aware they might end up like the Beijing waitress, said they
rose at 6 a.m. Sunday to get ready for the job fair. They had already bought
entrance tickets for the equivalent of 60 cents. Then, with six classmates,
they set out, changing buses to get from their suburban campus to the
downtown center, arriving about 8 a.m.

They struggled through the crowd and approached the entrance. By then, Yu
said, the mayhem was underway. "I was pushed onto the escalator," she
recalled, "and I heard people screaming, 'The escalator is broken!' "

A security guard, who spoke on condition of anonymity for fear of losing his
job, said the doors were supposed to open at 8:30, but he and his colleagues
opened them an hour early because of the crush. By then, he said, a large
plaza in front of the center was full of students, and hundreds more
overflowed into the street, unable to make their way through the gate.

"Society assumes that college students should find a job and that they can
find one," said Peng Tao, 23, an English major from a small town in
neighboring Hubei province, "so we are under great pressure and have to grab
every single chance that comes by."

But Peng said that when he arrived about 10 a.m., as the pushing and shoving
was at its apex, he was so shocked by what he saw that he turned around and
went back to his dormitory.

Researcher Jin Ling contributed to this report.




I can make sure the stuff in the report is true.

This is one of the big problems for communist party to face, it is
horrible, they well education, they can understand the things well,
you can not treat them as the countryside farmers as communist party
familiar with, these guys are young and impulsion, once they be hurt,
they tend to hate the society, if it is a fair society, they may
understand that it is the market demand, fair play as well, but the
problem is that many rogues in this country, they got rich are not
through a decent way, they got rich are because they have relationship
with the communist corrupt officer, it offer a well reason for the
riot, such as 1989.... Things go to another termination, this year in
the area near my city, the factories lack of 5 millions workers to
meet their orders, eh, amazing? These jobs are not well pay and
working condition is not so good, the young college grads don't like
to take this job, the problem is that if you like to employ a newbie
for your shop sine he can not distinguish the copper and steel? One
aspect is that the education course out of the real demand, another is
the cultures, you know he will leave the shop as soon as when he learn
"enough" skill to get another job with +$1 a day.... maybe no
solution, it is not my case since I did not get any salary from
communist party.

I graduate in 2001, at that time, I also feel the tight job market,
but not so worse, also, I am so lucky that I graduate from a
university which call: "Top 10 of the country", I can easy to find a
decent job, I get into the trade because many of my family members in
this trade, so I assume that I can get some advantage from it.

I'd have a chance to be official in my hometown, I think I will be a
very good officer since I may "have" some apperceive ability about the
truth, unfortunately, I hate communist, I even don't like to get an
ounce of relationship with them, I just think of that since I have
confidence to compete with anyone in a decent way, why I need to crap
myself? ^-^






I may judge the country now day seems better than anytime of the
pass 6K years(at least in development trend), someone have
comparesion with the most wodrful/prosper dynasty, Tang Dynasty
(618-709) .

You may but it isn't relevant - (doesn't matter ) - You guys have
two (more really ) economies.
China, as a nation, has an enormous task ahead. Good luck, you will
need it.

Tow? Huge and confuse? Maybe.

Yes. Two (2) economies.
The young educated population that is participating in the "new" economy and
the non industrialized economy.
Young people who go off to the cities to earn money in the factories
frequently end up returning home but when they arrive back at home, they
find they have little to return to. It is hard.

Chinese culture is changing in fundamental and uncomfortable ways. As an
example, your one child policy has lead to the abandonment of the family
elders when the young generation goes from the farms to the city to work.
All the old folks have is a small pension from the state to live on and they
end up in retirement hostels - a new and rapidly growing industry in rural
China. The suicide rate in China among the elderly are sky rocketing.
This is exactly the opposite of the norm in China. Historically, Chinese
care for their family members from the day they are born until the day they
die all within the family structure. What is becoming increasingly the
practice with the aged in China is hurtful to both the young who leave and
the old that remain behind.

Also, the agricultural economy isn't sharing proportionately in the rising
standard of living in the industrial parts of the country.
The Chinese government has a difficult job to maintain enough of a balance
between the two while maintaining calm. When a village protests the failure
of a factory the sometimes do so with rakes and hoes. Those aren't very
effective against guns so they die. Happens all the time.



For my personal opinion, abandon other unimportant things, all the
problem of the China society will finally focus on one point "fair",
not all the people can share the profit of the country development, if
communist party could not solve this problem, the country will lead to
rebellion, I think of that the central government have aware this and
just taking some policy, but it is so hard to keep balance in
different benefit groups... So, do business in China, you'd better do
not get any new trouble with the government, they already terrible
defeated. Understood these, China is a very very good country for your
business.


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