Re: Uh Oh, Discrepancy Alert

On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 01:42:40 GMT, BottleBob <bottlbob@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:



Cliff wrote:

On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 20:57:29 GMT, BottleBob <bottlbob@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Cliff:

Now THAT'S majorly ironic.

That I know & you don't begin to grasp much of it?

Cliff:

LOL *I'm* not the one who just confused inertia with momentum for all
of usenet to see.

But YOU can find no pecks of inertia.
How very odd.
Did you try for cubic yards of it too?

Why don't you tell us *in your own words* what
the lint told you it is? And how to measure it ....

Nor do you begin to grasp vectors or momentum it seems.

Here's a more complete explanation of
Newton's first law:

You don't begin to grasp it yet but must search with Google, copy &
paste in pretense?

Do facts and information from credible physics sites somehow threaten
(shall we be kind and just say), your out of the mainstream science
community's interpretation of various physical phenomena?

WHAT "physical phenomena"??

You can find no pecks of "inertia" it seems.

What you have done here is admit in public and writing that you have
confused the concept of inertia with the concept of momentum. And/or
just plain never knew the difference. I've been telling you for a LONG
time that momentum and inertia are different phenomena.

Found that peck of "inertia" yet?

Silly Wabbit, mass IS the measure of inertia

Mass is the measure of mass, BB. Not much else.
Are you now trying again to claim that mass is "inertia"?

If so, why not just say "mass"??
We already have mass. And momentum. And the conservation laws.
You just cannot find "inertia" except in phrases & old animistic
nun stuff.

(kilograms are the standard SI units).

One of them ... for mass.

A clever lad would have researched it the first
time I mentioned it, instead of repeating the same erroneous nonsense
over and over.

I must be far, far too clever for you, BB <G>.
You can also find "Inertia is resistance to change position."
but again that's just Newton's first law about the conservation
of momentum.

Perhaps more accurate than "Silly Wabbit" would be "Silly Ferrous
Cranus" LOL

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http://redwing.hutman.net/%7Emreed/warriorshtm/ferouscranus.htm

Ferrous Cranus is utterly impervious to reason, persuasion and new
ideas,

You think that "inertia" is a "new idea"? You'll probably not find much
Aether or Phlogiston either.

"Newton's first law contrasts sharply with the view of Aristotle, who
maintained (incorrectly) that the natural state of an object was to be at rest?"

[
Aristotle's "Mover" Reborn As Newton's "Inertia"
To Aristotle, a uniformly moving object's motion was maintained by the
presence of a "mover". But Galileo revealed that since it takes a force to
change a uniformly moving object's motion, when such a force is absent, no
change can possibly occur to the object's uniform motion. No "mover" required.
Then Newton wrote in Definition IV that "a body maintains every new state" (of
motion) "it acquires by its inertia only." Here Newton effectively voided
Galileo's logical understanding of an object's uniform motion, as being a
causeless default state of motion. Instead Newton's "inertia", like Aristotle's
"mover" gave the general audience something acceptable to fill the role of
"maintaining" an object's uniform motion when no such role existed.

A Cause For Uniform Motion Is Expected
For 16 centuries, Aristotle's "mover" satisfied the general need for a
cause to explain uniform motion. Clearly, Galileo's causeless understanding of
uniform motion failed to satisfy this need. But then Newton's "inertia" cause
was readily accepted as representing the expected answer. Credit goes to Galileo
for recognizing the causeless truth. With the demise of Aristotle's "mover" and
now Newton's "inertia", can we resist inventing yet a third imaginary "cause"
solely to satisfy the illogical but enduring general need for one?
]

and when engaged in battle he will not yield an inch in his
position regardless of its hopelessness. Though his thrusts are
decisively repulsed, his arguments crushed in every detail and his
defenses demolished beyond repair he will remount the same attack again
and again with only the slightest variation in tactics. Sometimes out of
pure frustration Philosopher will try to explain to him the failed
logistics of his situation, or Therapist will attempt to penetrate the
psychological origins of his obduracy, but, ever unfathomable, Ferrous
Cranus cannot be moved.
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inertia
Inertia is the tendency of a body to remain in a state of rest or of uniform
motion unless acted upon by an external force.

**Momentum & the conservation laws.**

When objects want to keep doing what they are already doing. For example, If
they are resting, they want to continue resting..

**"Want" == old animistic nun & Aristotle stuff ... it just might decide to
walk off, right?**

The abiliy of an object to resist a change in motion.( Resists force).

**No "ability* is needed .... you just have momentum, mass & the conservation
laws.**

The tendency of an object to resist change in its motion. Every object continues
in its state of rest or of uniform motion in a straight line unless an external
force is applied on it to change its speed or direction.. Inertia is the
tendency of a moving object to keep moving the same way, unless something
interferes. Inertia is also the tendency of a still object to stay still, unless
something interferes. .

**IOW It does nothing and claiming it exists does nothing unless you suspect
that the mass would otherwise just decide to go munch on your carpet without it.
Hence it cannot properly be said to exist.**

Inertia is a fundamental property of matter directly related to the mass of an
object,

**That's mass.**

so all matter has inertia. It is not related to where the matter is.. Inertia is
really nothing at all.

** "Inertia is really nothing at all." !!! **

It was invented as the supposed cause of the non-accelerating state of rest /
uniform motion. But then everyone knows that rest / uniform motion is the
default, causeless state that automatically occurs when accelerational forces
become absent. Inertia certainly is not a thing that "resists" acceleration
prior to Newton's LAW I taking effect.

** "Inertia is really nothing at all." !!! **

Hold out a stone and then release it. Acceleration of the stone toward Earth is
immediate. No "resistance", no hesitation, no "inertia". . Inertia can be
considered as that property of mass that conserves momentum.

** Mass. Momentum. Conservation laws. NO pecks of "inertia".**

It is directly related to mass by F=dP/dt where P is the momentum an F is an
externally applied force..
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F is force, another of those pesky vector things.
Comments delimited by "**" were added by yours truely <G>.
"Inertia" would not be in any way operant.
Do NOT claim to multiply the number of independant variables. "Inertia" is
not one of them.

Is this sinking in yet?
--
Cliff
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