Re: Mori Seki SL1 NC lathe programming



Cliff wrote:

On Fri, 05 May 2006 11:18:26 GMT, BottleBob <bottlbob@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:



Cliff wrote:

On Wed, 03 May 2006 12:22:43 GMT, BottleBob <bottlbob@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


Gibbs is also a big player. And as you've
seen from my survey that there are other CAD/CAM systems that use X,Z
for creating geometry and programs for lathes.

All seem to be "shop floor" .... and I posted counterexamples.

Cliff:

You stated the MasterCam and Gibbs were "Toys",

Find the quote?

Cliff:

OK, here's your quote:

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From:
Cliff <Clhuprich@xxxxxxx>
Newsgroups:
alt.machines.cnc
Subject:
Re: Mori Seki SL1 NC lathe programming
Date:
Tue, 02 May 2006 06:30:36 -0400


<snip>

Your
not knowing that modern CAM systems use X,Z coordinates for lathe
programming?

"Shop floor" toys?

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At that time only Gibbs and Mastercam had been mentioned, since it was
before my little survey.


which is an opinion
that may depend on your perspective. But both programs run in the 13-18
k range in price. It's ironically humorous that one of your "counter
examples" is VectorCam with sells for what? $800-$900? And is geared
toward hobbyists? LOL

And demonstrates .....

It demonstrates the speciousness of your categorizing two high dollar
CAD/CAM systems as "Toys" since they didn't agree with your erroneous
claim, while promoting the entry level $800-$900 VectorCam as if it were
somehow typical of most modern CAD/CAM systems when it's really geared
toward the hobbyist, just because it DID agree with your erroneous
claim.


And besides, counter examples are irrelevant. You said that AFAIK
*ALL* CAD/CAM systems use the X,Y coordinate system to program lathe
parts.

"CAD/CAM", "AFAIK". Yep.

I'm sure by now you have seen that what you considered *ALL* CAD/CAM
systems, isn't the case.


All I'd have to do is post just ONE CAD/CAM system to proves
that assertion wrong.

Nope.

You said *ALL*, I posted about Gibbs which does NOT create lathe
geometry in the X,Y coordinate system. Therefore proving that *NOT* ALL
CAD/CAM systems create lathe geometry in the X,Y coordinate system.


I personally posted two, and my survey brought to
light the following CAD/CAM systems the use X,Z for lathe programming:

MasterCam does XZ
Surfcam does XZ
OneCNC does XZ
Gibbs does XZ
EdgeCam does XZ
Esprit does XZ
Partmaker does XZ
Swiss Pro does XZ
Meister Pro does XZ

So your information that *ALL* CAD/CAM systems create lathe geometry in
the X,Y coordinate system was erroneous and sadly out of date.

So you can see the parts better? LOL ..

The reason is irrelevant. You spoke without knowing that NOT all
modern CAD/CAM systems create lathe geometry in the X,Y coordinate
system.
I think you better listen to JB next time he talks about CAD/CAM
systems since like I said before, your information is sadly out of date.


No, it was to illustrate your conceptual error in thinking larger stock
would not contact the edges of the slits first.

Only if the ID > OD.

So are you saying that if the ID of the bushing, collet, bored jaws is
greater than the OD of the part the stock is going to contact on the
slits first?

Nope. That would be OD > ID.

There is only one ID in this scenario and that is the ID of the collet,
bushing, since it's OD is irrelevant. Also there is only one OD and
that is the stock OD since it doesn't HAVE an ID.
> = Greater than. < = Lesser than.

So saying the OD is greater than the ID is saying the stock is larger
than the bushing/collet.

Or think of it this way: ID < OD.

The bushing/collet ID is smaller than the stock OD.

Your case was OD < ID.

Nope, never was. I said from the first that larger dia. stock than the
nominal dia. of the collet would contact on the slits/edges. You said
the opposite.

Or think of it this way: ID > OD.

Nope. I never said any such thing. Your ploy of trying to obfuscate
the issue with your ID's and OD's is just an effort at grasping at
straws to try and deflect attention away from your conceptual boo-boo.
How many in here do you really think you're fooling? LOL

--
BottleBob
http://home.earthlink.net/~bottlbob
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