Re: OT UFOs on Larry King Live next Wednesday


"Cliff" <Clhuprich@xxxxxxx> wrote in message news:3r14e1t4amuqc1r4u3ssfkc203j15t0ekm@xxxxxxxxxx
> On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 13:53:24 -0500, "John Scheldroup"
> <jschel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>>"Cliff" <Clhuprich@xxxxxxx> wrote in message news:5cj1e11mum28p1r929ee8q77fvbqjsf064@xxxxxxxxxx
>>> On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 18:25:22 -0500, "John Scheldroup"
>>> <jschel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>>>>"Cliff" <Clhuprich@xxxxxxx> wrote in message news:2suvd19s9tl1ai46gh8p19fh1lfn1pknd5@xxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 11:04:46 -0500, "John Scheldroup"
>>>>> <jschel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Energy Conservation
>>>>>>"two light waves can be made to extinguish each other completely if
>>>>>>superposed with the correct phase, which proves that a form of energy
>>>>>>conservation does not apply here. "
>>>>>
>>>>> <GAK>
>>>>> It actually does.
>>>>> Ever tried it?
>>>>>
>>>>>>"The momentum (change) of a particle is defined as the integral of the
>>>>>>force acting on it over time, i.e."
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope. Think of photons .... they have momentum.
>>>>> Force * distance = energy (Newton).
>>>>> E = (a*t^2)/2 too ....
>>>>>
>>>>> Force * Time? How long have you been sitting there with that
>>>>> force on your tail end? Gained a lot of momentum, did you?
>>>>>
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>>>>Even if my tail end moves in more than one plane, I can analyze only one plane at a time
>>>>or simply be paralyzed due to lack of time. <g>
>>>>
>>>>The resulting change in momentum occurs across time.
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>>>>integral force = mass x (velocity / time) = (mass x velocity) / time = momentum / time .
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>>> <GAK>
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>>> F= M*A (per Newton) .... Your tail end had a force on it but did
>>> not move much, did it?
>>>
>>> F= M*(distance/time)^2
>>> P = M*(distance/time)
>>> F ~~ P*(distance/time)
>>>
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>>distance = average velocity * over change of time
>>average velocity = distance/time
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> On average ...
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>>http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~jos/pasp/Ideal_Mass.html
>>momentum is the integral of force with respect to time.)
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> That's not correct and is out of context as well.
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In context for what I intended it for.
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> Were it correct your tail end would have gained a LOT of
> momentum while sitting there.
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>>Since momentum is also
>>equal to mass times its velocity , it is clear that the unit-momentum velocity
>>must be v(t) = 1/m.
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> P=m*ds/dt
> 1/m=(ds/dt)/P
> I don't really see that as a time-dependant velocity.
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> But the subject, *in context* (see above link), was impedance,
> transfer functions, etc. I think that you have your subjects confused
> <g>.
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>>> You lost some units there <G>.
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> Did you look at the units?
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Impedance! Air ?
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Well you apparently have lost the page to then.
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I'll play along, see your above average, what are the units of average ?
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>>A linear system very effective for moments of change, while your example
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> ??
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>>shows
>>that there to be two masses and one single change from m1 to m2 as I interpret it.
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> ??
> In the transfer functions?
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Well I don't know, can it be found on a different page ?
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I thought we were talking about linear systems of momentum <g>
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>>>>force x time = momentum
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>>> Nope. See above.
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>>>>> Energy, to Newton, was the first integral of momentum
>>>>> though ....
>>>>>
>>>>>>Gravitation:
>>>>>>Modern theories of gravitation assume that the gravitational force between two
>>>>>>masses is not an instantaneous interaction but is communicated by field quanta (gravitons)
>>>>>>moving with the speed of light. However, this model can be shown to result in
>>>>>>different forces in different inertial systems and contradicts therefore the
>>>>>>definition of a force.
>>>>>
>>>>> Define "inertia" <G>.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Best approximation:
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>>>>Just like an object reflects in a glass mirror, inertia is that reflecting force of mass.
>>>>
>>>>What exactly does this force reflect with what ?
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>>> Nope.
>>> It's just the conservation laws in action.
>>> You'll not find a peck of "inertia".
>>>
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>>Because it's just to easy to say the "conservation laws are in action"
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> Choose one: the conservation laws or animism.
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Neither
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Since neither one would solely tell us the magic *conteract* to G-forces that
behave with respect to risk taking USAF pilots and other risky ventures,
how about some artificial gravity for the ISS? . Good old conservation and
a couple spins on the centrifugal wing <chuckle>
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Linear systems of momentum, not air.
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>>Gravity is still the
>>big unknown for conservation only to be responsible for it.
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> We don't have to know how everything works to observe conservation
> laws.
> If we knew how everything worked ... well, how does THAT work?
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> Don't confuse subjects.
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None intended.
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> BTW, I'd really suggest that you go to the archives and see the
> posts to poor Shu on photons.
> And the "OT - A Conundrum for BottleBob" initial post.
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>>Should we presume something
>>greater in the unknown besides a few pecks, then be able to reproduce the force with some
>>kind of effect, like photoelectric effect then were not talking about pecks or effects.
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> Just presumptions? Where are BB & his lint when you need them <G>?
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>>See.. reproduce the force which causes the effect for conservation
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> Do forces cause conservation laws? What "forces"? How?
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In fact I'm sure it has very little to do with air can we count on that ?
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>>then at best you could
>>describe something other then G-forces and their *effect* by conservation, since this
>>approach will change or convert one effect to another effect in a controlled manner.
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> I'll not ask ....
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Oh yes G-forces play a major part in most thrill rides,
http://www.howe.k12.ok.us/~jimaskew/ps/pmoment.htm
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I doubt conservation can be very helpful how describe effects to counteract them,
surely it can ? Surely isnt just air
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Next Question: Who's Shirly ?
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>>I never brought up inertia, pecks of inertia indicate to me a non-linear system, sounds
>>to mechanical, as such I would doubt this is anything greater then another observed effect.
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> Nor will I ask about "non-linear" ....
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You have not heard of it ?
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http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=Nonlinear+angular+momentum+
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> BUT observed effects are ALL we can observe.
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Like observing Gravity and G-Forces, and Air, is it nonlinear static friction ?.
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>>Perhaps with photons inside a mirrored box could accelerate with some centrifuge to then
>>cause effects for conservation while the state of photons changes energy state equivalent
>>to some type of gravitons...but simply to say it's conservation becomes itself limiting.
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> Not at all. Momentum is being conserved.
> Read those posts <G>.
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>>What if inertia this term we'll use was just a reflection of something greater on space time,
>>but you could also remove this mass/reflection,
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> Those photons (see posts) have no mass.
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>> however still a mass at rest and with
>>momentum, but where conservation rules have been evaded causing no reflection.
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> ??
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Reflection not to be confused with pecks of inertia.
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>>Obviously the wormhole idea is a bad one, distorting space-time to create a shortcut
>>since this would require vast amounts of energy,
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> Nobody knows, AFAIK.
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>>on the other hand if our mass at rest
>>were stuck in a virtual state
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> And the conservation laws?
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Could be evaded under the right circumstances.
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>> might we have some means to gobble up space-time like
>>a vacuum clean instead of spread it outward and inward to a wormhole. Then opposite
>>of denting space would seem to be the vacuum cleaner *effect*.
>>
>> John
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> --
> Cliff

We hope so,
John


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