Re: Please help with WAP54G
- From: "JM" <jm@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:35:39 GMT
"Jeff Liebermann" <jeffl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 20:44:49 GMT, "JM" <jm@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>>Your standards for technical specificity in the first presentation of a
>>problem are too high for me.
>
> That's fine. There's a short list of things to check (IP address,
> block, cable polarity, DHCP server function) that you can do while you
> cool off. Also, I can't afford the time to engage in a dialog. My
> method is to unload as many possibilities as possible in my first
> reply and assume the reader will use it as a checklist for
> troubleshooting.
>
> The default IP for the MR814 is 192.168.0.1 so your 192.168.0.31 for
> the WAP54G will work just fine without changing the IP block. That
> leaves the cable and the DHCP client and DHCP server setup. Good
> luck.
>
>>And my standards for common courtesy are too high for you.
>
> Believe it or not, I had no intention of being discourteous or
> abusive. I deal with disorganized questions on a regular basis. The
> scary part is I do it because I think I'm being helpful. In most
> cases, such as this one, the person asking the question doesn't
> understand what information is necessary to answer their question.
> Omissions such as model numbers, versions, operating systems,
> topology, and other useful details that are necessary to figure out
> what's broken are often missing. I've given up being tactful and
> considerate when this happens. I've tried every possible method of
> extracting this information ranging from excessive politeness to
> outright abuse. I've found that my mixture of arrogance (required to
> establish competence), sarcasm (required to get their attention), and
> occasional humor (required to keep their attention) is generally
> effective. I do not engage in condescension, humiliation, or
> profanity.
>
> If you have a more effective method of convincing people to supply:
> 1. What problem are you trying to solve?
> 2. What do you have to work with? (Hardware, software, versions)
> 3. What have you done so far and what happened? (Error messages)
> then I would be greatly interested. If you expect me to take the time
> to understand your problem, then kindly make an effort to supply
> sufficient information too be able to answer the question.
>
>>So "kindly" go dump your arrogance, sarcasm, and condescension in someone
>>else's thread.
>
> If you insist. There are plenty other people with questions that
> deserve an answer.
>
> Incidentally, I only have a BSEE and have only taught a 5th grade
> class perhaps 25 years ago. I do some techy presentations on occasion
> but really have no academic credentials. All I can offer is over
> 12,000 usenet postings since about 1993, most of which are answers to
> technical questions.
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> In alt.internet.wireless, Google Groups shows 2,590 posting in about
> the last 2 years.
>
> If you have the time and inclination, you might want to try your hand
> at answering a few questions in alt.internet.wireless. It really
> doesn't take much effort to use Google to find similar problems or
> speculate as to the potential causes. What does take the effort is
> prying the basic information necessary to answer the question. Try
> one or two and see how it works. It's not like teaching in a
> classroom because you get no feedback from the students. I often
> don't know if my suggestions worked.
[replying to the entire response]
You do not have to remind me of your credentials. It only takes a little
time on this ng to know full well that you are a very high level IT
professional. Of that there is no doubt. What is intolerable for me is
your method and delivery. You can represent it as an effective method
distilled over years of trial and error if you want, but in the end it's
counter-productive and rude, and it's based on an unbending set of critieria
that cannot possibly be anticipated by the person asking the question. My
suggestion to you is to move on to other threads, rather than allow your ego
and frustration to take over as it did in your reply to me. I'm not saying
that because you "hurt my feelings," per se; rather, I'm saying that if your
intention truly is to assist, then you've undermined your own goal.
Regardless of our differences, I really need to solve my current problem.
So, I will attempt now to be more comprehensive and specific. Please
understand that I'm not a total beginner to networking, regardless of what
was suggested by my original post. And I'm more than a little experienced
at the desktop level, holding a MS cert and a Comptia cert. I'm not saying
that means much; I'm just trying to justify a benefit of the doubt.
The WAP54G currently is part of a small business network.
The main router is a Netgear MR814 with wireless disabled.
The Netgear is a DHCP server.
The Netgear is the gateway at 192.168.0.1.
The DHCP IP range is 192.168.0.2 - 192.168.0.51
There are about 13 IP devices on the network, all working fine via DHCP,
with a file server, a webcam, and an IP phone adapter assigned static IPs.
There are two small switches on the networking providing extra density in
two offices.
Prior to connecting the WAP54G to the network, I gave it the IP address
192.168.0.31, subnet 255.255.255.0, gateway 192.168.0.1. I left all the
other settings default, including the security settings, which I left turned
off.
I tried to connect a desktop machine using a Dlink DWL520 PCI NIC that I
know to be working. I originally used the Dlink utility to configure the
card and find the network. The NIC is set to obtain its IP info auto. The
Dlink sees the network, SSID "linksys." It tells me there is 95%-100%
signal strength. When I choose "linksys" profile, it tries to connect but
does not. The "D" in the taskbar stays in the disconnected mode and I get a
"media disconnected" statement at the ipconfig command.
I then disabled the Dlink utility and tried using Windows. Again, the SSID
is detected, the signal strength is excellent, but no connection. It shows
the connecting status bar, but it will not connect. It finally quits
trying. I have deleted and rebuilt the profile several times.
If I enable the wireless functionality of the Netgear MR814v3 router (MAC
address 000FB578606E, color white, with "NETGEAR" stamped in the top, black
power cord, 36-in, 8 oz wall-wart, about 2 months old, 5-in rubber duck
antenna, 4-port built-in switch, . . . . ; ))) [just having fun], I can
connect immediately. I also tried a Dlink DI-524 wireless router - both as
router in place of the Netgear and as an AP connected to the Netgear - and
again I can connect immediately.
It's when I add the WAP54G back to the mix that I cannot connect.
Please inform what I have left out. This truly is all the pertinent info I
can think of at the moment.
jm
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