Re: Royalties for BB?

In message <ve4fn1toh265jpb2sdqult5valt3qcnhb8@xxxxxxx>, David <seodave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes 
On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 18:24:50 +0000, Jane Patience
<jane@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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Which really does prove the point of that section-

"...how some SEO's manipulate potential clients. You will find on a
lot of SEO company websites lists of SERPs the site or their clients
sites rank well for in Google and other search engines. Read through
these SERPs lists carefully you will almost always find they consist
of really easy search phrases, SERPs that you would get with LITTLE TO
NO OPTIMIZATION."

David 


IMHO the actions you admit to above are somewhat unprofessional.
Irrespective of whether or not Bill provides a good service to his
clients...


I didn't say if Bill provides a good service or not, I have no idea if
he does or not. My site without specifically mentioning Bill or his
site was using his list of easy SERPs he had as an example of how some
unethical SEO consultants try to trick potential clients into
believing they have high traffic. How is that unprofessional?

I didn't start this thread Bill did so any negative pr is his own
doing, not mine.

...it seems to me that someone who is genuinely good at what they do
does not need to resort to attempts to damage someone else's reputation.


To damage a reputation they must have a good one to damage in the
first place. It is a fact that some SEOs try to trick clients as
described on the page in question and based on the lists on Bill's
site it would appear he uses the same unethical business practice to
gain clients. I'm not damaging his reputation he's damaging his own by
creating those lists. If it wasn't his site it would be another SEO's
that uses that technique.

You'll note he's not defended the use of the lists for another
innocent reason.

You could give a hypothetical example - and make potential clients aware
of the situation as you see it - without pointing anywhere in
particular.


I could, but why should I? If you've read my posts over the years
you'll know I use real examples all the time, I see no reason to use a
hypothetical example for this unethical business practice.

Also I don't specifically point at his site like linking to
http://www.kruse.co.uk/ and say look at the list near the bottom. I
mentioned the list only
http://www.seo-gold.com/tutorial/serps-competition.html

This is the list from http://www.kruse.co.uk/seo-services.htm

[List snipped] 

So only two in the top 20, do you seriously believe a person reading
my page would work out it's his site? Took Bill quite a while and he
targets those SERPs. If my main aim was to discredit him I'd have
linked to his site and mentioned it in this NG. I did neither.

Did you read my page?

Occasionally, one of my clients leaves me and moves to another web
developer. I'm not usually exactly overjoyed about this (unless they've
been a particularly irksome client, in which case I might be only too
pleased to get rid of them  ;-)  ), but I try to be as helpful as
possible in the transition process. Yes: I could look at the other
developer's work and point out all that's crap about it; I could make
the transfer difficult by refusing to change the IPS tag (for .uk
domains); I could refuse to supply all the site files to their new
developer etc., and so on. But who would this benefit? It may give me a
brief feeling of "getting my own back" on my client for even thinking of
going elsewhere.


What has any of this got to do with that page?

He's not taking any of my clients :-))))

Of the clients that have signed up for long term services (so would be
making regular payments) only three have left permanently since I
started offering SEO services. Client turnover for me is very low, if
they stay a year and the service is working they stay indefinitely.

On the other hand, if my client's last experience of
dealing with me is pleasant and I am helpful, then there's always just a
wee chance that they might come back to me in future if their new
developer turns out to be not so great.


I have the same approach, for example one of the three clients that
left didn't really understand how website's worked (struggled with FTP
etc...) they used a host that lost one of their sites I'd optimised!!
Unfortunately the client hadn't made a backup of the site so had no
way of restoring it. They emailed me for help, fortunately I'd kept a
copy of the site and re uploaded it for them for free.

The business relationship ended on good terms.

Just my two pence worth. YMMV.

Cheerio.

David


Have left most of the above in tact without snipping so that I can't be accused of creative snippage ;-)

I can't be bothered to reply to all the points above and now wish I'd never stuck my head above the parapet here - one of the reasons I lurk and rarely post even though I've been reading this group for years. I just suddenly got really sick of all the sniping that goes on (seems to have escalated again recently), and was driven to post a response!

Yes, I do think it's unprofessional to try to enhance your own reputation by drawing attention to what you see as errors in someone else's working practice - in public at least. And, as someone said in another thread, if you don't like other people criticising your working methods then why do the same thing yourself?

Anyway that's all I have to say on this or any other subject and I'm off back to lurking again :-0

Cheerio.
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Jane M Patience - Patience Design
Web Design Services for small business
http://www.patience.co.uk
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