Re: frames and SEO

On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 18:50:16 -0400, wd <n@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 22:05:27 +0000, David wrote:
>
>
>> I've no plans to ever build another framed site, too many negatives,
>> but that doesn't mean there's a search engine problem with them, there
>> isn't and anyone who says there is doesn't know what they are talking
>> about.
>
>So you think that if someone's only consideration is rankings and they
>don't want to pay money to redo the site without frames then it isn't
>worth it because it will have no bearing on rankings to redo it? (Just
>curious, since I don't know for sure.)

I'd agree with the above if the only consideration is search engine
rankings and as I mentioned in the last post since you don't have a
menu on every page you can optimise the links from each page and this
can help a lot with rankings, so in some respects framed pages are
easier to optimise.

There are other ways to remove a menu though, look at this page
http://www.classic-literature.co.uk/bram-stoker/dracula/ the 60 pages
of this ebook menu links on the right are within an iframe, so are not
part of the page, they are here
http://www.classic-literature.co.uk/bram-stoker/dracula/pages.html you
could do this if you wanted to remove a menu from your content pages
and add only relevant links from each page. So there is nothing
positive from an SEO perspective about a framed page you can't
replicate with the right code.

>What do you think of this?
>http://www.html-faq.com/htmlframes/?framesearch

>From http://www.google.com/webmasters/2.html -

"Your pages use frames. Google supports frames to the extent that we
can. Frames tend to cause problems with search engines, bookmarks,
emailing links and so on, because frames don't fit the conceptual
model of the web (every page corresponds to a single URL). If a user's
query matches the page as a whole, Google returns the frame set. If a
user's query matches an individual frame on the page, Google returns
the URL for that frame. The page is not displayed in a frame because
there may be no frame set corresponding to that URL"

The above is all true, you will note the wording is quite specific
though "Frames tend to cause problems with search engines" that is not
the same as "Frames cause problems with search engines period". There
are some very easy fixes which were the first things I learnt about
SEO since the only site I had was framed. That site at it's peak took
in 8,000 visitors a day, today it's at ~1,000 visitors a day (has a
Google ban, so no traffic from them, but the ban had nothing to do
with frames).

David
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