Re: Why change the title to- Approaching Gray Hat SEO?

On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 16:03:12 +0100, Roy Schestowitz
<newsgroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>David wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 14:43:21 +0100, Roy Schestowitz
>> <newsgroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>>I was deceived too at first. It was only once I went to his sites that I
>>>realised it was somewhat a monkey business. Don't get me wrong, he does
>>>everything he does quite well, but he cannot mention and present the high
>>>numbers to someone with a 5-page Web site and the desire to lure more
>>>customers.
>>
>> Can you show me one 5 page web site that gets high traffic?
>
>
>Wordpress.org. PageRank 9 and not much more than 20 /significant/ pages.
>Good sites with many references present themselves gracefully.

What a load of crap, that site has thousands of pages and presumably
makes a lot of money.

http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&c2coff=1&rls=GGLD%2CGGLD%3A2005-16%2CGGLD%3Aen&q=site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2FWordpress.org

You might not like the site, but it's not what you said or I asked
for, so again do you know of a 5 page web site that gets high traffic?

Just so we are clear this time, not a 50 page site, 1000 page, 632,000
page site a 5 page web site. If you are going try to put someone down
at least back it up with something rather than trash posts like-

Oh look Dave can't get lots of search engine traffic to a 5 page web
site therefore he's full of crap and deceives people.

BTW I have a 10 page site that get ~500 visitors a day and took a lot
of effort to get there. But, then I don't consider 500 visitors a lot
of traffic.

If you dislike Wordpress.org so much why do you link to them from
http://www.schestowitz.com/Weblog/

>
>> Be realistic, for almost any site to do well in Google's organic
>> listings it needs a reasonable amount of content pages. There are
>> exceptions, but if a 5 page site can get high traffic they don't need
>> organic SEO, they most likely have a great word of mouth service.
>
>
>I fully agree. Does that justify adding organic content to all pages on the
>Net? What will cyberspace benefit from the most? I am having mixed feelings
>about this, but what if 80 millions domains or so (including parked ones)
>contained appended pages whose volume was 1000% of the master content?

Even though I didn't say add organic content to all pages on the net I
honestly don't care about the above, I build web sites to make money,
my clients own web sites to make money. If adding new content to a
clients site will make them more money without harming the site as a
business person that's a very good idea.

Though this is very funny coming from someone who steals other people
copyright material without their permission-

http://www.schestowitz.com/UseNet/2005/June_2005_1/author.html

I don't recall giving you permission to use my copyright material-
http://www.schestowitz.com/UseNet/2005/June_2005_1/msg00041.html

You're a hypocrite.

Please remove it and any other uses of my copyright works or I might
start a DMC complaint.

>That's the same type of sites that Charly referred to as "a lot of spammy
>sites" a few hours ago. Spam is evil. Greed drives spam. Greed is evil.
>*smile*

Tell me what's spammy about these pages
http://www.classic-literature.co.uk/bram-stoker/
http://www.classic-literature.co.uk/book-store/Books/browse-10399-salesrank-1.html
http://www.classic-literature.co.uk/book-store/0316769487/The-Catcher-in-the-Rye.html

The first is information (free) the second and third sells products
people want. Visitors read the first page and order products from the
other two, what is spammy about that?

At least I don't make those waste of space Usenet mirrors that clog up
some SERPs. What does everything under
http://www.schestowitz.com/UseNet/ add to the net exactly, what if 80
millions domains or so (including parked ones) contained Usenet mirror
pages whose volume was 1000% of the master content?

>
>> When I take on clients with few pages first advice is add more content
>> pages, fortunately for the client I have the tools to help them do
>> this if they can't do it themselves.
>>
>> Took on a client with a 20 page site (never had a client with just 5
>> pages) which isn't enough to do really well, now their site has over
>> 3,000 pages indexed in Google with an increase in targeted traffic and
>> sales (the client is happy and looking to expand their business).
>
>
>That's great news for him and for you. I hope that not all of his
>competitors follow suit though (see arguments above).

Not concerned about your arguments above, my only concern would be a
drop in sales for the client.

>> I don't get full details of what my clients make, but when they stick
>> with me for 6 months they generally don't leave due to the increase in
>> profits.
>>
>> The clients who haven't done well have either quit the service early
>> (under 6 months) or not made the changes recommended.
>>
>> So please tell me where the deception is Roy?
>
>
>Using statistics as a tool for high self-portrait while neglecting the very
>important 'details', which are the nature by which you scrape the sites.

Are the statistics false, are they even manipulated in a way to make
them sound better than they are, what important 'details are
supposedly missed out?

Last time someone (Bill) suggested I was making visitor numbers up I
removed the password from the sites basic statistics page for all to
see for a few days. Everything I say is true and can be proved.

So where is the deception?

Also back up your statement above by showing a scraped site I own?

You do know what a scraped site is?

>You should become a prefessor. Publish some papers. Here is a place for you
>to start:
>
>http://pdos.csail.mit.edu/scigen/
>
>"SCIgen is a program that generates random Computer Science research papers"

That's almost funny.

>
>> Do you really want me to post sale type stuff like this in the NG so
>> you know how I work!! I'd probably get more clients from it, but I
>> don't as a general rule chase new clients this way (currently turning
>> clients away, not enough time in the day!).
>>
>> You'll note I don't advertise SEO Services in my sig, I advertise a
>> free SEO tutorial, I don't need more clients and haven't for a long
>> time. SEO practically sells itself, finding clients is easy since they
>> find you in bulk (10 quote requests so far today, each with the
>> potential to make over £4,000 a year from)!
>
>
>...but how do you perceive your /contribution/ to the Web? Please tell me,
>seriously.

Who cares? The web is a tool not a utopian society, I use it to make
money for-

myself
my clients
Google
Amazon
other affiliates

You want to get philosophical about it, the literature sites make it
easier for students studying classic literature to obtain access to
those works for free.

The sites selling Amazon products increase Amazon's sales (I'll
probably sell well over half a million dollars worth of Amazon stock
over the next 12 months), this helps make Amazon a more successful
business keeping it in business and ensuring those employed by Amazon
have a secure future.

Since most of my sites have Adsense ads my sites make quite a bit of
money for Google, I've no idea what percentage Google gives it's
Adsense customers, but I'm guessing it will be less than 10%, so again
Google could easily make half a million dollars from my sites over the
next 12 months.

My clients are more successful and like Amazon/Google helps keep their
employees in a secure job.

What can I say I'm a giver :-)

So other than your Usenet crap what do you contribute?

>By all means, I don't consider you to be a spammer (upcoming is
>just a 'case study'), but here is the story of another man who thought he
>just carried on 'business as usual':
>
>http://mosnews.com/news/2005/07/25/spammerdead.shtml
>

Why show this story then Roy other than to try to associate me with
Russian email spammers?

I don't consider you to be a paedophile, but here's a completely
unrelated news story for you (just a case study)-

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1502035.stm

Do you really think I don't understand the tactic of "throw enough mud
and some sticks".

>Roy

David
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