Re: Any Idea for IE and Opera - Its working with Firefox ...

On 2008-03-21, dorayme <doraymeRidThis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
In article <slrnfu777q.ell.spamspam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Ben C <spamspam@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On 2008-03-21, dorayme <doraymeRidThis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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3. I accept the html element as real.

The html element is definitely real-- try

html { border: 10px solid green }
body { border: 10px solid red }

and you will see they are both block boxes like any other.

Hi Ben, perhaps you don't know that I did not accept it blindly.
Much as I trust you. <g>

As I said, I read you carefully. But I checked out a few things
too and there is a whole world of absurdity to be explored. Not
only does this root element have borders but other things too.
Did you know that it is a victim of crime in certain circumstance?

The html can have a fixed, yes fixed, background image for a
fraction of a second before it is stolen by the canvas.

That is *one* of the reasons I have come to believe in the
reality of the canvas, I need a culprit, a perpetrator for the
crime of stealing. And the canvas is it. As every detective
knows, you can't have a crime, a thief and a victim without these
things being real.

I have captured on film this act with my HTML camera. Here is a
case (in some browsers) of the html being given (yes, I know,
against the recommendations in CSS 2.1) a fixed non repeating
background image which is then grabbed by the canvas and parked
at a coordinate point on the canvas (0,0) determined by the
viewport. Quicker than the eye can see but not quicker than the
camera as slowed down in playback.

Because you are seeing this out of context, please note that the
black dotted bordered object is the html, the red is the body and
the top left of the yellow is the top left corner of the viewport
in my Firefox.

<http://netweaver.com.au/alt/rootStudies/imageTheft.html>

You could say that the viewport is stealing the image there, not the
canvas.

Try a background image on a div with background-attachment: fixed, and
you may see the same behaviour. The reason is that all fixed backgrounds
start at the top left of the viewport, not at the top left of the
element. This seems to be related to that rather than to the odd
scrolling behaviour of the root element background which is what gives
rise to the idea of a canvas.

The only reason to say that a background is on the canvas rather than on
the root element is to explain how it scrolls with the root element when
background-attachment is scroll. If it weren't for that behaviour, the
spec could easily do without the idea of a canvas at all, and just say
that the root element background is applied to the viewport.
.

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