Re: More help with PHP menus? 2nd level ideas. (OT to some).

On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 08:23:18 +1100, dorayme
<doraymeRidThis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

In article <8dm2u3lafjtmuogn266g65rkm2c3nmlb66@xxxxxxx>,
Mike Barnard <m.barnard.trousers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I'm off to bed soon so I haven't uploaded recent changes. It's
different here than there! I just wanted to reply.

On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 03:01:55 +1100, dorayme
<doraymeRidThis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


Just tested it. The search box gets smaller with the smaller text
because it is set to 20 chars, it doesn't stick out as in your picture
no matter what I do. Is there a Mac difference?

OK, Perhaps what I was seeing was more extreme in font size
testing than your tests.

No matter how extreme I couldn't make it pop out and I had the text
down to a razor edge. Never mind. Going on about the same problem
gets boring!. BTW, how did you take the screen caps?

I notice your #left-column has a 12em width but a 300px max
width. Considering that the #menu in it is also 12em, you might

When the text expands three clicks in FF the columns get so wide from
each side that there is no room left for the content in the middle. So
they need limiting in width. The menu isn't limited yet though, so
thats to be done. Whats the best measurement to limit with? This time
em's are no good as the max width would change too. Gotta be px's, no?

perhaps get more graceful variation if you alter the former to
14em (especially since you sticking in a picture of yourself in
theat col. And give the #menu something like .7em left margin to
lift it off the edge. Probably best to decrease the size of that
picture of you.

I have made the images resize with the columns so they no longer cause
a breakup. And 14em, when the browser is small like 800x600, leaves
little room for the content. If there was only one column (and there
may be on some pages) I would agree.

You are suggesting that the menu should lie within the column, not be
part of it? I'll try it and see what it looks like.

I have been going through the css and altered a lot of stuff to em's
as it should have been. Better. But I haven't finished going through
it yet. That and breadcrumbs tomorrow. And more content, the really
boring bit. And a better photo, (any pose you recommend? :) ) and
hopefully I'll have the logo files and... and...

And, a small point, the br to make the search button wrap might
not be needed now.

<looks>

It looks too close to the input field to my
eye when it does wrap. You can widen this gap with a more
generous line height to the default on the div that contains the
form there.

I'm keeping the <br> because I want the searchbox to be as wide as
possible. See link below. I've increased the line-height to 2em in the
search div. It does look better. Nice.

The text input field is always mingy in these things,
you might as well go back to 15 from 20!

"The search input field should be wide enough to contain the typical
query; if the box is too small, the query will scroll and diminish
usability." From the link below. I was originally set to 27, but after
seeing your picture I reduced it to 20. I may make it wider again if
it produces no other problems.

What I sometimes do,
with Atomz too as it happens, is have a search link which goes to
another altogether more generously proportioned input field. You
can have it on a site map page or on a page of its very own.

http://www.useit.com/alertbox/20010513.html He seems to know what he's
saying. I don't. I suppose it depends on the look of the page. One
like mine, which is supposed to be 'working' rather than 'designer'
can get away with a search box, but it might break up the look of
something else.

Just some thoughts for you.

Please, keep em coming, if you want to. I'm sure you have better
things to spend your time on such as sun and surf! Your ideas have
really improved my site and my knowledge. Thank you.

I'm off to bed. It's 11.40 pm here. G'night.

Mike.
.

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