Re: <embed src> question

On May 29, 10:50 am, cwdjrxyz <spamtr...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On May 29, 3:44 am, Andy Dingley <ding...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On 29 May, 02:30, cwdjrxyz <spamtr...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Do not use embed. It is not, and never has been, an official W3C html
tag, as validation of a page using at the W3C validator will quickly
show.

This is true enough, however it also works, and it works in a non-
player specific manner that's not emulatable by other standards-based
tricks.

Moreover, when used for sound, embed does not now always work for
some modern browsers.

Which ones?

I only know that I have seen several posts in various groups were some
browser OS combination did not work for sound when embed was used. In
most cases this was corrected by using proper modern code - in a few
cases the problem was caused by some software or hardware problem that
had to be corrected and sometimes no sound would play at all despite
what code you used.. I have absolutely no interest in finding which
browser/OS combinations support an illegal tag such as embed or any
other illegal tag for that matter. There are other types of playlists
beside m3u, but m3u works on a wide variety of players, including the
most popular ones such as WMP, Real, Winamp, etc. On the other hand,
the Microsoft .wax playlist is not supported by several players.
However, even that is changing, and I believe recent Real players also
now support .wax.



I suggest using a m3u playlist for your case.

That ought to work (from my limited knowledge), but I'd be interested
to know from others just how widespread support for .m3u playlists is?

It's also worth remembering that the audience for music is highly
segmented. Target content at "the myspace generation" and they're
almost certain to have an MP3 player installed that will
recognise .m3u. Target exactly the same music page with older
content for an older audience and it might cause problems, just
because that audience hasn't manually installed the same set of add-
ins.

Most computers that the general public buys have long come with one to
several players installed which will support .m3u and other code now
required for hearing sound from many mainstream audio sites. A few who
hate sound could have removed the player. A few could have used an
obscure OS, built their own computer, and not added a player. A few
could be using a text only device and can not support audio or images.
Now if you want to support some of the less usual sound formats, such
a Monkey Audio's .ape, FLAC etc., you will have to instruct your
audience that a plugin is required to hear the sound. A few bands have
used these mentioned lossless formats for free music from them from
the web. The reason is these large file size lossless formats are
free, and someone has to be paid for the use of many other more common
formats. Fans who have enough interest to follow the band's website
usually are interested enough to take the time to download a quick
plugin, especially when the band explains why they use the format.

By the way, a really old IE browser will not support embed. In the
early days of sound on the web, Netscape introduced embed for handling
sound and Microsoft introduced bgsound. The bgsound would not play on
Netscape, and embed sound would not play on IE. However it was not
very long before Microsoft started to support embed for sound. I do
not believe that Netscape ever supported bgsound. Browsers old enough
for this to matter are likely very seldom used these days, as they
will get kicked off of many very important sites. For a while, there
were scripts used to detect if an IE or Netscape browser was used, and
route an embed path or bgsound path to them as needed. Browser
detection now is very much out of favor, because some of the newer
browsers can report themselves as something else to avoid getting
locked out of some sites.

.

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