Re: why do people hate Frontpage?...

Runnin' on Empty wrote:

Actually Standards are great as a goal post, but they apply best to static brochure sites and not to anything approaching enterprise level.

No offense intended, but I find that to be utter nonsense.

Do this simple test, run any major enterprise level or ecommerce site through the w3c validator, guess what, none validate.

That doesn't mean that they COULDN'T, and indeed, SHOULDN'T. A few little errors and/or warnings are to varying degrees acceptable, but when these sites display dozens if not hundreds of validation problems, that's simply a demonstration of laziness or, worse, complete apathy.

That's right, the most expensive, intensively used sites with some of the best and brightest developers in the country, (or out of the country), that are making the most money, don't validate worth beans.

You think these sites are developed by "some of the best and brightest developers"? Are you serious? Newsflash: most of these sites are developed either internally or by the lowest bidder, either of which rarely equates to the "best and brightest".

The reason is that there is more to successfully using the Internet (or WWW, if you prefer), than making sure the HTML or CSS validates.

Indeed, but that's no excuse to not strive for something that is relatively easy to achieve, and helps eliminate other problems by default.

Making a simple 10 page vanity site, it should validate and conform to standards, working on a major n-tier ecom application with several layers of access, admin and functions, backed up by a multi terabyte database, you concerns are more making sure it and the multiple functions0 work and are secure against improper use, in the IE and Firefox.

Again, no reason why these requirements cannot be met along with largely valid, standards-based front-end development.

This often means standards are thrown to the wayside in choosing better methods for the task at hand.

By all means, can you suggest any "better methods" that would preclude the use of recommended standards?

I know this drives CSS and validation zealots nuts, but it's the case.

Unfortunately, you're right ... it is the case much of the time. But once again, it really shouldn't be, and certainly doesn't HAVE to be. And I'm in no way a CSS or validation zealot, just a very experienced and logical designer and front-end developer who recognizes the clear advantages to standards-based development.

I'm all for standards, but they don't apply to every site.

The question is not why to use standards, but rather WHY NOT.

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