Re: Really stupid newb question- <div>

I actually DO appreciate the tips he gave. Some was very helpful and I did
use it, I did thank him for it, I just felt he was being a bit condesending
with some of his comments. I tried to not come back as an *** in my
response, but it failed.

I do know that the site is ameturish and there are sites that look a whole
lot better, modern and sharp. I am trying to get rid of the frames, I know a
lot of people hate them for good reason. The initial layout for the site was
done as a side thing in 2000. I actually did first learn HTML back in the
3.0 days and the code does reflect that. I have only recently began to bring
it forward to all the standards based (X)HTML, specifically March of this
year. I have been rewriting everything by "hand" in my spare time. It has
taken a serious amount of time to rewrite and validate each of the 30 or so
main pages (60 with the framesets) and 200 or so gallery pages.

Jeremy

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"Blinky the Shark" <no.spam@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Jeremy Brown wrote:
Just an informational response:

This is (almost) never a good idea. It's the web equivalent of the old
DTP tricks for spacing things out by putting empty whitespace elements
everywhere.

That is why I wish to do. I have eliminated a ton of older styles in the
markup. I have elimanted almost all of the depreciated tags on all of the
pages on my site. I have switched just about all formatting to my style
***.

If you want [A} and [C] to be presented with some white space between
them, then use CSS and bigger margins (probably margin-top on [C]) to
set it. Don't create a [B] element just to sit between them - it's
just not needed.

This is the kind of information I need. Sometimes the simple solution
often
eludes us. I honestly would not have thought to use the margin functions
in
my CSS since I am still learning how to utilize it to its full potential.

I doubt you need to, nor should, use a table here -- but that's a
separate
issue.

The artwork is 5 separate elements, not one. I know you can do that using
a
single image with coordinate mapping and there are other ways, but that
is
not how I wish to do so. The table works rather well in doing what I wish
to
do.

In general, your markup wants an overall make-over. It's pretty much
1997 style, only in XHTML.

Lose the frames.
Lose the HTML 3.2 coding style.
Lose the Transitional doctype.
Lose the <table>s
Lose the rainbow bullets.
Lose the frames.

The XHTML is OK, although many people will proceed to tell you it's
wrong.

1. I am going to dump the frames as soon as I learn how to layout the
site
fully in CSS. (see #3)
2. Please read my home page in regards to my HTML skills- I am still
learning how to do it, hence it isn't beautifully typed up. I am typing
all
of this out in Notepad, and the way I type lets me read it and know what
I
looking at while I work on it.

Kudos for tackling this with a text editor and not some WYSINWYG crutch.
But you might want to consider using a text editor with syntax
highlighting; it'll make your job easier.

3. I actually have a version of my site that is Strict, but it does not
look
the way I want it to yet. (see #1)
4. The frames do what I want, they validate in Transitional & Strict and
I
like the look.
5. How I design may page is not really the point here, I simply want to
learn HTML and have some fun doing so. I like the way my site looks. It
is
amateurish because that what it is- an amateur HTML coder presenting his
amateur automotive skills on a personal web page. I am sure that some
time
in the future I will bring the site into the 21st century, maybe 2002 or
2003, until then the layout stays- rainbow icons and all.
6. See #1 & #3

All this said, why did you need to critique my whole site when I only
asked
a question about an XHTML tag?

You got some bonus input. That's not uncommon here. Don't bitch about
it.


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