Re: Orbital motion in isolation: "The Light of Stars" - Youngfellow
- From: "SWG" <swisswatchguy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: 31 Jan 2006 05:02:32 -0800
oriel36 wrote:
> oriel36 wrote (in sci.astro.amateur):
>
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> > The astrologers have a pedigree,Newton/Flamsteed cataloguers do not.
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>
> Thank you. That reveals more about where you're coming from than
> myriad
> questions on alt.horology were able to.
>
> --
> St. John
> Pohl's law:
> Nothing is so good that somebody, somewhere, will not hate it.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> I had restricted the astronomical material to the emergence of the 24
> hour clock system and the isolation of axial rotation to 24 hours/360
> degrees as being of interest to horologists in an era which assigns a
> garbage value of 23 hours 56 min 04 sec to axial rotation in a
> calendrically driven justification.Your posting requires a response in
> an area which isolates orbital motion from axial rotation,and while not
> immediately relevent to horologists,it demonstrates the benefits of
> keeping axial and orbital motions seperate for their seperate purposes.
>
>
> Both the Ptolemaic and Copernican astronomers used the astrological
> plotted motions of the planets against the stellar background even
> though their conclusions differ as to what those motions represented by
> isolating orbital motion of the observed planets.
>
> http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0112/JuSa2000_tezel.gif
>
> Using the invaluable and actual time lapse footage of Jupiter and
> Saturn above it is easy to see how the Ptolemaic could have seen
> periodic looping motions of the planets as seen from a stationary
> Earth.
>
> Using the same footage,it is easy to see how Copernicus reasoned that
> it is an orbitally moving Earth that generates the effect just as a
> car,moving in an inner lane on a traffic roundabout would pass slower
> cars moving in an outer lane.
>
> Both Ptolemaic and Copernican astronomies used the common plotted data
> and drew their conclusions of the motions of planets,as seen directly
> from Earth,I repeated as seen directly from Earth.This perspective is
> absent from Newtonian quasi-geocentricity insofar as he mixes epicycles
> with astrological retrogrades and does not acknowledge that planetary
> motions can be resolved by direct observations (unlike Ptolemaic and
> Copernican astronomers) -
>
> "For to the earth planetary motions appear sometimes direct, sometimes
> stationary, nay, and sometimes retrograde. But from the sun they are
> always seen direct.."
>
> http://members.tripod.com/~gravitee/phaenomena.htm
>
> Newton goes on to retain the stellar background in his quasi-geocentric
> format* leading to this Dystopian era which praises his awful reasoning
> as being a human accomplishment.In conclusion,Ptolemaic and Copernican
> astronomy part company with astrological plotting in terms of assigning
> the arrangement and motion of the solar system planets in isolation
> hence Newtonian conceptions based on John Flamsteed's sidereal format
> is by far inferior to the uselfullnes of the original astrological
> plotting of planetary motions using the stellar background.
>
> * "PHÆNOMENON IV.
> That the fixed stars being at rest, the periodic times of the five
> primary planets, and (whether of the sun about the earth, or) of the
> earth about the sun, are in the sesquiplicate proportion of their mean
> distances from the sun."
>
> http://members.tripod.com/~gravitee/phaenomena.htm
The Light of Stars
The night is come, but not too soon;
And sinking silently,
All silently, the little moon
Drops down behind the sky.
There is no light in earth or heaven
But the cold light of stars;
And the first watch of night is given
To the red planet Mars.
Is it the tender star of love?
The star of love and dreams?
O no! from that blue tent above,
A hero's armor gleams.
And earnest thoughts within me rise,
When I behold afar,
Suspended in the evening skies,
The shield of that red star.
O star of strength! I see thee stand
And smile upon my pain;
Thou beckonest with thy mailed hand,
And I am strong again.
Within my breast there is no light
But the cold light of stars;
I give the first watch of the night
To the red planet Mars.
The star of the unconquered will,
He rises in my breast,
Serene, and resolute, and still,
And calm, and self-possessed.
And thou, too, whosoe'er thou art,
That readest this brief psalm,
As one by one thy hopes depart,
Be resolute and calm.
O fear not in a world like this,
And thou shalt know erelong,
Know how sublime a thing it is
To suffer and be strong.
.
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