Re: OT - Bank of America
- From: stan <tsanford@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 08:29:16 -0700 (PDT)
On Sep 25, 7:24 am, "Hustlin' Hank" <ninebal...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
On Sep 25, 3:40 am, stan <tsanf...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Someone wrote .................................
Back in the 90s I watched a show on PBS like this one:
I cut up all my credit cards and haven't used one since. We only have our
mortgage and a small car loan left.
Don't blame you; one has to be very careful with any loan arrangement
including, or particularly, credit cards! And if CC are a nuisance cut
them up and do everything possible on cash basis.
But there can be a role for 'careful/thioughtful' consumer use of a
The best way to use a credit card IMHO is to set up automatic payment
of the 'total' amount due monthly.
The CC company takes the balance owing from bank account on the same
billing date each month.
The result: a) No interest charges (Haven't paid any for CC interest
since we got the cards, about 7 years). b) Provides a 21 to 25 day
interval before payment is due, thus one is effectively using somebody
else's money for that period of time. It ain't much but anything that
defers payment without additional cost and is part of the system can
be done on principle!
For example I bought gasoline tonight, using CC. Payment for that will
not be due until the mid October statement.
But be careful; the moment the moment the CC balance is not not paid
off, annual interest charges of anywhere from 9%, 19% or even 29% can
occur. So even for one month on an amount as low as $500 interest for
one month can be a significant (around $8 on say $500 owing at 19%
etc.) for example. So frequent checks to make sure arrangements are
working are in order. Although one usually has an overall mental
recollection of where, financially, things are.
And watch the fine print like a hawk. And NEVER take cash off a credit
card it incurs interest IMMEDIATELY!
Municipal taxes for can be paid off over the year, without extra cost
and also allow use of CC it is possible at end of March (the deadline)
to set up an authorization for one ninth of the amount due to be taken
automatically, each month, from bank account. There is no extra charge
for this and there are no CC interest charges.
Another 'use' we have found for a CC is to buy safely via the
internet. We have one presently unused line of credit (it presently
owes us $2.21!) linked to credit card at a relatively low rate of
interest, which is held in reserve for a potential emergency
Also find that a CC in good standing ensures smooth purchasing.
Do not like that CC company has 'upped' credit limit on our card even
though not requested (or needed) and also even though our expenditures
had never ever approached the limit. This usually under the guise of
"You are such a creditworthy customer and we value your business
etc.!!!!) Appeared to be a very crude attempt to get one to borrow
more? And 'draw' one into debt and the payment of 'yuk' interest
Long ago, financially naive and innocent I bought my first car. All I
knew was that it would cost $61 per month. I had no idea how much
interest I was paying etc. etc. It wasn't long before I had figured
out that anything bought 'on credit' cost MORE!. And the higher the
interest ate and other charges the more it cost, over the ticket
But how to compare different course of action?
Then I went on an engineering economy course, with Bell Telephone, and
the concept of time-money dawned on me and has been used here ever
since on all decisions.
Sorry to rant on; but put forward this cheap and dirty interest
Suppose you borrow $10,000 and agree to pay it off monthly over 5
years at say 10% (ten percent just make it easy to figure).
At the start you owe 10,000 and at the end of 5 years you owe zero.
So on average you owe half of it or 5,000 (I said this was cheap and
So 'on average' you owe 5,000 at an interest rate of 10%, that's $500
per year for each of the five years.
Five years at $500 = $2500.
Adding the 2,500 to the 10,000; wow that's a quarter more than I
borrowed! Is $12,500.
Divide the $12,500 by the number of months 12,500/60 = $208 per
So roughly your payment will be around $210 - $215 per month for five
Have just put the above amounts into a 'proper' amortization
calculator programme' and the actual monthly amount comes out at $212
per month! So cheap and dirty works quite well for smaller amounts and
shorter periods; but don't try using it for a 30 year $100,000
BTW watch out for financial tricks such as no payments for three
months, meanwhile the seller is totting up interest on the whole
amount owing for another quarter of a year! In the above example that
could be another $125 or so. Another 1.25%!
You are correct in what you are saying. Like other posters have said,
the trick is to pay off the CC every month so that you don't pay
interest. In reality, a CC can be an asset if used correctly and claim
the rewards by paying it off.
Many years ago I looked closely at the amorization schedule for my
home loan. If I kept the house and only made the monthly payment, I
was paying almost $300,000.00 for a $100,000.00 home. I thought to
myself "what a waste of money". Altho I couldn't pay it off, I could
pay a little more onthe principle and pay it off earlier. I did that
and after about 5 years, I almost had it paid off. I sold the house
and took the equity and built a smaller house with more land and it
was totally paid for.
Young people HAVE to pay interest on a loan to get a home. As bad as
it sucks, it is the only way for some to acquire any savings (equity).
It beats renting for sure. But, any interest you don't pay is like
having that money go into YOUR pocket.
If people would take a close look at the amorization schedule and
realize they are wasting many dollars on interest that is coming out
of their pockets, I'd think most would come to their senses. At least
the smart ones.
Hank <~~~thinks interest is wasted money.- Hide quoted text -
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Hank I totally agree. A kindred spirit I think.
And it's exactly what my son is doing; paying of his home mortgage as
quick as possible, even though the interest rate is low, hoping the
equity in will increase (depends on the economy and the location).
Now a widower, and for the record I have three children ranging from
47+ to 30.
One seems to have fallen near the parent tree and is well aware of
'cost of money' is thrifty and doesn't mind using and fixing and
secondhand as long as it does the job.
Another can't seem to control finances at all; despite help!
A third works hard, earns well has no children, is smart about
'bargains' etc and 'manages' to live within budget.
Same parents, same procreation process, no hanky panky in the family
so they all came from the same tree!
Must be different genes?
Here in Canada we have what seem to be be better regulation of
financial institutions, and have not had to bail out any of the banks.
So it's not instutional problems but individuals who need to be
Improvements are needed in in regulating what are loosely called
'Financial or investment advisers', they are required, if above
board , to be registered but there are thirteen different provinces
and territories each with it's regulations. But there still are the
Bernie Madeoffs here.
My adviser for example has to register in at least three areas (at a
cost in each) in order to operate legally and if one of his clients
moves to another province etc. he has either to register himself in
that territory or hand off the client to another adviser.
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