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This query seeks experience of others on cable, digital, and
satellite
TV
services.

We live in a six-unit apartment building. Is it possible to get a
single
cable or satellite service for the entire building -- obviously at
lower
cost? It would seem to me no different than getting service in a
single-family residence with TVs in six rooms.

I suppose I could also ask if it might be possible to get a single
internet service, using wireless, which would give every unit a
connection. Actually, you probably could do that without the
server
even
knowing it.

But, as Richard Nixon so eloquently said, "that would be wrong."

Sharing an Internet connection is easy, all you need is your cable
modem
and
a wireless router. Many routers allow up to 50 connections. You
might
want
a router with extended coverage (see wireless standards). Linksys is
the
best brand. Each user must then have a wireless adapter installed in
their
PC. PCI Adapters for desktops, PCMCIA (cards for laptops, most new
laptops
have built in wireless) or a USB wireless adapter that plugs into
your
USB
port and can be used with any PC.
See more info athttp://www.linksysbycisco.com/US/en/home

You could run the Router OPEN, meaning anyone could access the
network
or
better yet password protect your network and provide approved users
with
the network password. Security for wireless networks use to be more
difficult to setup, thus there were many OPEN networks, but todays
software
makes it quite easy to accomplish a secure WAN.

Having mulitple users on the same network is not an issue.

There are actually multiple issues:

1 - Is it permissible in the contract with the cable company?

1A) ?No, it would have to be a hush-hush deal with your neighbors.
?"Open'
access (unprotected router) are not allowed by many cable providers.
?And
sharing of a PSW protected router is I'm sure a no-no too, but it's
not
like
your sharing a physical cable, so there's little a cable company can
do.

I wouldn't be too sure about that. ?Various states have specific laws
covering cable service and what constitutes theft of service. ?I would
not be surprised to find that in some cases, that in addition to civil
exposure, you might actually have the possibility of criminal
prosecution.

Is it highly likely? ? Probably not. ? But suppose the guy in 6b gets
pissed off at you, decides to rat you out, and calls the cable company
and tells them what's been going on. ? You want to be the guy with the
contract with the cable company for one legitimate internet service?

Apartment people do this all the time, but it's usually not a shared
deal,
just a few non-techs with Open Access being taken advantage of by
techs.

Someone getting into your wireless service without your knowledge and
permission is an entirely different situation from you getting one
legitimate service and then sharing it by becoming the network
administrator, collecting the payments from others, etc.

2 - How much bandwith the service provides versus what loads all the
different users will be placing on it.

2A) ?My cable provider has 3 levels, 1.5 Mbps, 8 Mbps, and 20 Mbps.
?Many
people still use dial-up at 56 Kbps! ?How many times will 56K go into
1.5 M?

Sure, just as I'm sure there are many people still running Win98 on a
386. ?But it's not the typical scenario today. ? What is more typical
is to have users downloading r/t video, large video files, or other
heavy demands.

Your sharing the bandwith of the cable anyways with all your neighbors
even
if they all had separate paying accounts, but with one modem your
bandwith
is limited to your provider level. ?

Yes, but so what? ? I have around 1.5mbits up, 4.5 down and the system
can handle that with the typical load of all the others on the entire
cable system. ? I periodically benchmark it. ? Even so, it can take
some time to download larger files. ? I would not want to split my
bandwith with 5 other users.

Even at a 1.5 Mbps account, several
surfers would get along fine. ?In the router set-up you can restrict
(limit)
the banwith of each user if needed but this is probably not necessary.

Here is a cut and paste "Did you know your cable speed will vary
depending
on the usage pattern of your neighbors? Cable modem services share
bandwidth
among subscribers in a locality. The same cable line connects to many
households. If many of your neighbors access the Internet
simulataneously,
it is a distinct possibility that cable speeds for you (and them) will
decrease significantly during those times."

Yes, which is a good reason why you probably don't want to take the
bandwith that you already have and split it 6 ways

3 - Can you get good coverage for all the apts?

3 A) ?Thats not an issue with todays hardware, proper placing of
equipment
may be needed. For example it would be best if the router was near the
center of the building and not down in a corner basement.

That is precisely the issue. ? Who's gonna screw around to find the
right solution and the right place to put it? ? Suppose you buy a
bunch of gear and it don't work where you thought you could put it?
Of course you can ultimatley deliver a wireless solution. ?My point
was you may not be able to cover 6 apartments with a typical home
router, ie the kind many cable companies give you for free, or an easy
solution, etc. ?I've been in plenty of expensive hotels with wireless
where coverage was spotty and speed was poor.

4 - Who's going to administer the network and be the guy that gets
called when the guy in 6b says his wireless internet is out, or
someone wants to change their email address, etc.

4A) ?Something to be worked among friends. ?And just use Yahoo, or
Hotmail
for email.

Friends? ? The guys is talking about 6 apartments. ? Who knows who is
in any of them now or the future?

You could have

20 or more users surfing the net and not notice a slow. Many people
only
use
a fraction of their bandwith, even with the lowest tier of service.

LOL

Even

if several users were downloading songs or Utube videos, at once, I
doubt
you would see a slow.

LOL

?However if you had one user downloading data from a

usenet binaries newsgroup, using a binary news reader with multiple
connections (8-10) then you would definitly experiece some slows.

5) ?Why would downloading from a usenet binary be any worse than
downloading videos?

5A) ?When your downloading through the internet (surfing) with say MS
Internet Explorer and you click on that Utube video or download a
trial
program, you only have one connection requesting data and the total
size
of
that file is very small.

The total size of videos is small? ?There are companies on the
internet now offering full Hollywood movies streamed to your TV. ? ?At
CES this month, there were lots of products to marry TV with
broadband. ?Sure wouldn't want to do that with the typical single user
internet service split 6 ways.

?When you open your newsgroups with Outlook you

will ?have only one connection to the news servers.

A Binary usenet user would be using a "binary news reader" like
NewsbinPro
or Newsleecher, these are downloading machines! ?The user is not
limited
to
1 connection but may have up to 20 simultaneous connections (see
Usenetserver and Giganews) depending on the news server. ?Typical
ISP's
allow 4 connections (if they have bin news groups), while paid for
servers
usually allow 10-20 connections. ?These users are downloading complete
CD's
(650MB) , DVD's (4-8 GB), and even HD videos (8-30 GB). ?They might
easily
add 20-30 GB's of files to their download que, hit enter and now they
have
10-20 simultaneous connections requesting data from HIGH SPEED SERVERS
and
not just for a minute or two but for hours or even days. This will
create
slows. ?:-)

Welcome to the real world. ? To have users today that place a heavy
load on a network, whether downloading from newsgroups, movies,
videos, or similar isn't unusual at all.

Cheers,

the verizon tech needed to chgeck something on line, so he drove up
the street looking for a open router.........

LOL....now that's funny! ?:-)

Cheers,
Jim- Hide quoted text -

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Yeah I asked him why am I bothering to buy this? When I could just get
it for FREE????:(

He remarked EVERY neighborhood has some open connections.....


My parents had 3 Open routers near them months ago. I'm guessing Cox caming
sniffing and sent them a letter. Now all 3 are password protected, but 2 of
the 3 used the name of their router for the passkey. LOL.

Cheers,
Jim


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