Re: TV service query ? ? ?
- From: "Jim2009" <Noemail@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 14:58:46 -0600
<trader4@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
On Jan 21, 2:57 am, "Jim2009" <Noem...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"Ray" <rayj.b...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
This query seeks experience of others on cable, digital, and satellite
We live in a six-unit apartment building. Is it possible to get a single
cable or satellite service for the entire building -- obviously at lower
cost? It would seem to me no different than getting service in a
single-family residence with TVs in six rooms.
I suppose I could also ask if it might be possible to get a single
internet service, using wireless, which would give every unit a
connection. Actually, you probably could do that without the server even
But, as Richard Nixon so eloquently said, "that would be wrong."
Sharing an Internet connection is easy, all you need is your cable modem
a wireless router. Many routers allow up to 50 connections. You might want
a router with extended coverage (see wireless standards). Linksys is the
best brand. Each user must then have a wireless adapter installed in their
PC. PCI Adapters for desktops, PCMCIA (cards for laptops, most new laptops
have built in wireless) or a USB wireless adapter that plugs into your USB
port and can be used with any PC.
See more info athttp://www.linksysbycisco.com/US/en/home
You could run the Router OPEN, meaning anyone could access the network or
better yet password protect your network and provide approved users with
the network password. Security for wireless networks use to be more
difficult to setup, thus there were many OPEN networks, but todays
makes it quite easy to accomplish a secure WAN.
Having mulitple users on the same network is not an issue.
There are actually multiple issues:
1 - Is it permissible in the contract with the cable company?
1A) No, it would have to be a hush-hush deal with your neighbors. "Open'
access (unprotected router) are not allowed by many cable providers. And
sharing of a PSW protected router is I'm sure a no-no too, but it's not like
your sharing a physical cable, so there's little a cable company can do.
Apartment people do this all the time, but it's usually not a shared deal,
just a few non-techs with Open Access being taken advantage of by techs.
2 - How much bandwith the service provides versus what loads all the
different users will be placing on it.
2A) My cable provider has 3 levels, 1.5 Mbps, 8 Mbps, and 20 Mbps. Many
people still use dial-up at 56 Kbps! How many times will 56K go into 1.5 M?
Your sharing the bandwith of the cable anyways with all your neighbors even
if they all had separate paying accounts, but with one modem your bandwith
is limited to your provider level. Even at a 1.5 Mbps account, several
surfers would get along fine. In the router set-up you can restrict (limit)
the banwith of each user if needed but this is probably not necessary.
Here is a cut and paste "Did you know your cable speed will vary depending
on the usage pattern of your neighbors? Cable modem services share bandwidth
among subscribers in a locality. The same cable line connects to many
households. If many of your neighbors access the Internet simulataneously,
it is a distinct possibility that cable speeds for you (and them) will
decrease significantly during those times."
3 - Can you get good coverage for all the apts?
3 A) Thats not an issue with todays hardware, proper placing of equipment
may be needed. For example it would be best if the router was near the
center of the building and not down in a corner basement.
4 - Who's going to administer the network and be the guy that gets
called when the guy in 6b says his wireless internet is out, or
someone wants to change their email address, etc.
4A) Something to be worked among friends. And just use Yahoo, or Hotmail
You could have
20 or more users surfing the net and not notice a slow. Many people only
a fraction of their bandwith, even with the lowest tier of service. Even
if several users were downloading songs or Utube videos, at once, I doubt
you would see a slow. However if you had one user downloading data from a
usenet binaries newsgroup, using a binary news reader with multiple
connections (8-10) then you would definitly experiece some slows.
5) Why would downloading from a usenet binary be any worse than
5A) When your downloading through the internet (surfing) with say MS
Internet Explorer and you click on that Utube video or download a trial
program, you only have one connection requesting data and the total size of
that file is very small. When you open your newsgroups with Outlook you
will have only one connection to the news servers.
A Binary usenet user would be using a "binary news reader" like NewsbinPro
or Newsleecher, these are downloading machines! The user is not limited to
1 connection but may have up to 20 simultaneous connections (see
Usenetserver and Giganews) depending on the news server. Typical ISP's
allow 4 connections (if they have bin news groups), while paid for servers
usually allow 10-20 connections. These users are downloading complete CD's
(650MB) , DVD's (4-8 GB), and even HD videos (8-30 GB). They might easily
add 20-30 GB's of files to their download que, hit enter and now they have
10-20 simultaneous connections requesting data from HIGH SPEED SERVERS and
not just for a minute or two but for hours or even days. This will create
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