Re: Lead Pipe won't give...

Clark wrote:


Which one of your statements is false? Show me where I said wait until symptoms appear before drinking milk. I never said that at all. Go back
and re-read every post and you will see that I never said "wait". Do
you see your error now?

If you are changing your story now to agree with mine, then I have no problem with what you are advocating. But previously, you said:


I am not changing my story now you whacko. Quit trying to make my statements into something they are not.

But you admit that you agree with me.


"Zinc poisoning is not fun. If you do breath fumes and wake up tomorrow with aching joints, drink lots of milk. Don't ask how I know this..."

I take this to mean that if you are exposed to fumes, then if you should feel any symptoms, drink some milk. Or are you trying to say that one should NOT wait to feel symptoms to take precautionary steps to avoid them entirely? If that is what you were trying to say, then you failed in your presentation, this is a misunderstanding and you agree with me.


This is a misunderstanding on your part. Not for the reason you stated. On the other hand you have made assumptions and accusations based on those assumptions. That is unacceptable behavior on your part.

All I ever said was avoid fumes and what to do about it if you were exposed. Period. A person may not realize they were exposed and wake up sick. If they do, drink milk. Don't even try to make anything else out of what I typed.

So you agree with me, good!


No Robert, my summary is correct. You clearly stated that exposure up to 15 minutes is fine.


It is not fine, but you will not get sick from it. You are not going to get sick from incidental exposure to zinc oxide fumes.

Me: Avoid exposure. If you are exposed, then drink some milk because it
will reduce the symptoms.

Correct summary of your statements: Avoid exposure. If you are exposed and you feel symptoms, drink some milk, it will lessen the symptoms. (I assume that this means you will only think you are slightly dying.)


Robert I'm not responsible for your assumptions. Got it?


Great! I assumed that you disagreed with me. Since I was wrong about that, I apologize.


Now Robert, how will someone who believes as I do be more likely to get
sick when I advocate avoiding exposure entirely? That's right, they
aren't more likely to get sick. In other words: your claim that if
someone believes as I will get zinc poisoning is false. Do you get it
now?

If they avoid exposure, there is no problem. But if they take the rest of your advice after being exposed then they may get sick. If you believe that you should wait until you feel symptoms to take precautionary measures, then you will ALREADY be sick. If they take my advice, then they can avoid any symptoms at all. IOW, they will not get sick.


You are one hard headed person. I never said anything along the lines of if you know you've been exposed wait until sysmptoms appear. Never. You are just making that up.


Fantastic"!, I am glad to see that this was all a misunderstanding on my part. Since we both agree that one should drink milk upon being exposed to zinc fumes before you feel any symptoms, I again apologize. I thought you were argueing with me to disagree with me. I never would have thought that someone would argue with a person to agree with them. My bad!


About the only thing I can add is that I could have used the word "accidently" in front of "exposed" to make it clear to you. Clearly I failed to take into account your ability to misinterpt what I typed.

By the way, only one of the URLs posted even mentions treating the symptoms. In other words, your post didn't support you claim that
drinking milk after the exposure is not helpful.

I don't need support. I am telling you what I have learned from experience. You are challenging my statements. You are the one that needs support. You won't find it. And you will find very few references to milk as an antidote from anyone except people like me who have a lot of experience with this.
For some reason, you don't want to hear it. You have your opinion and you are sticking to it.


Get real Robert. Go back one more time and re-read my posts. I never challenged your statements to drink milk before exposure. What I have done is pointed out that your assumptions about what I have written are baseless and false.

I agree. Since you now point out that I am completely correct and that you were just agreeing with me. I apologize. I misunderstood your statements. I thought that you were disagreeing with me and advocating a dangerous position.


You can appologize any time you want.


If you are saying that this is all a misunderstanding and that you totally agree with me, then I apologize.

What you may not realize (and I just noticed that this may be the case) is that by drinking milk after exposure, you can avoid being sick at all. That has been my experience. Perhaps you believed that drinking milk will lessen the effects. That is not the case. Drinking milk during and after exposure absorbs the metals in your system (according to some theories) and keeps you from feeling any symptoms whatsoever. Once they start, though, there isn't anything that will make them stop. Maybe milk shortens the time that you think you are dying, but who cares? I would rather not feel like I am dying at all. So I do what works. You can do what you want.

I have sat with many young kids that thought this was all bull*** and given them aspirin and told them it would all be OK in a while. I have taken many to the ER. From then on, they drank milk and got a lot more careful.

I think that the ones in here that may be watching this thread have already gotten the message. I just wanted to make sure about that before I bow out of this argument. I have had it many times before and I have been proven right by many people that did not want to listen. They learned the hard way. Some people will listen to experience, some won't. They just want to be right. I even had one guy tell me that I should have FORCED him to drink milk! What I should have done is fire him for not taking the proper precautions.

Everyone is free to test the theories. I suggest you try it both ways and then get back to me. I already have. Numerous times.



So I've demonstrated which of your statements is false and now you've accused me of changing my story. In fact it is you who is changing your story. Now you say that you advocate avoiding exposure but you have already said that up to 15 minutes exposure is fine. Here is the quote:

"Metal fume fever (or as we called it: fitters fever) will not occur with incidental exposures, but if you are exposed to fumes for more than 15 minutes, then you are susceptible."


This is confusing to me, but I will trust you. You said that I am making false statements that you were disagreeing with me and that I should apologize. I did. Since my initial confusion was that your statements which appeared to contradict me were actually in agreement with me, I will continue to honor that predilection and assume that where you are now saying that I am wrong you are actually agreeing with me, again. Great!


Like I said before Robert, you can appologize any time you want.


I am mistaken, I apologize. I thought that you were disagreeing with me. Since you have now shown that you agree with everything that I said, there is no further need to continue this argument. What a waste of time, huh?

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Robert Allison
Rimshot, Inc.
Georgetown, TX
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