Re: well maybe you can rock it out... with 18 watter... maybe
- From: IUnknown <stevementzer@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 14:29:10 -0700 (PDT)
On Mar 21, 1:57 pm, jtees4 <jte...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 12:14:10 -0700 (PDT), IUnknown
On Mar 20, 12:43 pm, Squier <squ...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
ok. last night a potential new band member came (we are looking for
another lead because the one we have is graduating and moving off...)
anyways he brought in this 'Budda' 2x12 18 watt combo. Thing weighed
a ton - maybe more than a Twin - but anyways I had no idea really about
the amp and WOW! This thing absolutely kranked! I mostly do the rhythm
work (2 guitar band) and I would not like this amp for rhythm stuff but
for leads it ripped! He is a good player (and hey, there's lots of good
lead players) but he really got good tones and sustain and everything from
this amp. I asked him about it.. etc.. and its freakin 18 watts! That's all!
It had to be the loudest 18 watts I've ever heard. It's nothing like the
usual 18 watt Marshall clones out there everyone seems to have (which to me
don't really cut it) but this Budda amp absolutely can hang with a full band.
It's not a great rhythm amp (imho) it just doesn't have a good range of
loud open cleans to crunch and beyond. But for lead work and semi-distorted
crunchy type rhythms it definitely is a good amp. It also packs a nice
mid honk/cut (but again, I really wouldn't want this lead tone all the time
for rhythm work).
So anyways... ok... this is probably the first and only 18 watt amp
that could really rock it out and gets incredible punch and volume.
Maybe it's the 2x12 cab (instead of 1x12). The speakers just say 'Budda'
on them with some swirly purple design on the back and I have not really
gone into finding more about the amp. It's a "Super Drive" and that's
about all I know. He played with an Ibanez (a nice MIJ Ibanez)
yeah sure, I have a silverface deluxe reverb at home (22 watts, 6V6 powered)
and it is one of the best sounding clean to mild tube saturation amps I have
ever played. I'll never give that amp up! But it just can't rock it out
like this Budda amp could do last night. When it was cranked up you
could actually 'feel' it, not just hear it. I played through it a little
bit and it was a beast. (in a good way). He only had a few pedals (chorus,
flanger and delay) and that was it.
So ok... I officially will say that it is possible to rock out
with this Budda 18 watter. But I'm not saying you can hard rock out
(un mic'd esecially) with a Blues Jr or Epi Valve Jr
or Tiny terror or whatever other flavor of 5 - 15 watt amps out there.
I mean hard rockin - not mic'd up bloooze or whatever.
I didn't mean to cause any fuss on my previous (you can't rock hard with 15 watter)
but I guess there is some seriousness in what I'm saying. You have to FEEL
the amp, not just be able to mic it and hear it.
Given the last troll post that you created stating that '15w amps
cannot rock with a band', this post is almost comical. I guess that
extra 3W made ALL the difference, eh?
The bottom line is that a good 15/18W tube amp will not have a problem
cutting through the mix in 99.99% of venues that gigging bar-band
musicians will EVER play in. This is a simple fact, and one that you
conveniently choose to ignore repeatedly in the prior post.
He wasn't alone. I think quite a few people agreed with him, including
me. Of course it can be done, but in a fairly quiet band only in my
opinion. I don't think it was a troll post unless you wanted to read
it that way. He even specicified a "hard rockin band" in his post...he
didn't say it couldn't EVER be done in ANY situation.
I play in a 'hard rockin' band.... gig regularly in local dives....
200-300 capacity joints. AC/DC, Zeppelin, ZZTop, Metallica, Bad
Company, Nirvana... I need a lot of 'clean' headroom... and fat,
punchy crunch. Keep in mind that my 'clean' tone is never 100% clean,
because I think that a teensy bit of dirt on your live cleans sounds
better in most rooms.
The amp I use is a tube 40W 2x12 open-back combo.... and I *rarely*
get the thing above '3' on the master volume. I don't know what the
actual dissipation is at that level, but I am guessing that it is
between 15 and 20 watts.
I am not mic'ed... and I do not run through the P.A... I have *no*
issues cutting through the mix, and will occasionally get told to back
off the volume a bit...
The reason that I can play at that volume is that I know what it takes
to cut through the mix.... and volume isn't the solution.
I think the problem is that a lot of these kids with 120W quad-6l6
monsters and their 4x12s get on stage, scoop the mids so they can get
that l33t metal sound and then complain when they dont cut through,
and think that turning up louder is the solution.
What sounds good on the record, and when jamming in your bedroom isn't
gonna cut it live... and experienced pros know it.
Circling back.... in skilled hands and ears, 15W can be more than
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