Re: New song.. listening encouraged

On Jul 6, 2:43 pm, Les Cargill <lcarg...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Lewis wrote:
On Jul 6, 7:08 am, Meat Plow <m...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 16:20:12 -0700 (PDT), Lewis
<le...@xxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:

On Jul 5, 8:59?am, Meat Plow <m...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Sat, 4 Jul 2009 07:44:39 -0700 (PDT), dvaoa
<dv...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
On Jul 4, 10:37?am, Meat Plow <m...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 17:11:37 -0700 (PDT), Lewis
<le...@xxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
I had a 4 month old acoustic guitar riff and a very old set of lyrics
from Keith... I finally had some time, and 12 hours later, this is
what came out the other end. First song listed, "Roll Out More Hose".
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=87802
Now play pretty y'all -
Lewis
Don't have much negative to say except the mix sucked. But that's just
perfectionist me speaking.
Just curious, what was wrong with it? ?I thought the mix was
excellent, the bass/drums drive the song and aren't muddy or buried
like most home mixes; the guitars have space and don't overwhelm.
Percussion could have been drier, more bass drum, less click. More ?hi
hat and ride and a little more crash. Sounded like everything was too
wet and homoginized. Leads could have stood out more. Vox was actually
pretty well done although I prefer a double or even a quad track for
vox and some interesting pans and timing. Wish I could put up a tune
from a finished project of mine but I can't do it as I would be
breaking contracts with the clients who have signed for a full CD or
album.
Look it wasn't that bad like I said I'm cursed with this perfection
thing. I once spent close to 40 hours on just a single track of a cd
from pre production setup to the individual takes then assembly and
mastering to two track. I just have a different ear I guess. If you
don't have the experience with real musicians in a real studio with 64
real tracks to contend with and all the takes, cuts and pastes and
imports and exports and trying this and that and suggestions from
artists and blah blah blah it's really hard to put it into words what
this all turns a normal human being into. Like I said sometimes I feel
that I've been cursed. It's really hard for me to listen to anything
commercial without being judgemental and wanting to get my hands on
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Well it's like anything else Meat... you spend your life doing
something, and you have a perspective that others who only dabble
can't really get. I write, I play, I sing, and I record what I do. I
feel fairly accomplished at some of the stuff some of the time,
including the recording part. On the other hand, it's the area I'm
least comfortable dealing with. I've been in nice studios, worked with
killer engineers, mostly bad producers... but until the last few years
it was purely as a player. I'm learning how to record much the same as
one learns how to play guitar... I try real hard to hang with people
who are better than me (makes it a big market to choose from).
So, yea, I can understand the "critical ear" thing big time. And
actually I really appreciate your direct comments about the
recording... You being a pro, it just helps me figure out how to get
what I "really " want; not so much what I think I want.
So thanks... I appreciate the help. All good comments that I'll take
into consideration, and probably institute.
I suffered a lot of criticism mostly negative from people who have
made it to the big stage and have worked with other artists like
Steven Stills, Joe Walsh etc..... It's the only way I know to learn.
I listened, gave the suggestions a try. Spent a lot of time
researching how things were done historically.

It's not so much the equipment but the ingenuity of the artists and
engineers. From what I understand, the equipment you have is
infinitely more powerful than say Led Zep used to produce their
albums.

Carry on and keep up the good work, yours is some of the best of the
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Thanks.... yea, it is all a bit goofy. Meaning that 90% of us have
gear that'd blow away what was being used on some pretty killer
"classic" trax. Yet , somehow it doesn't cut it.

I don't buy that. If you'll recall, at one point in time,
people thought the Eagles "Hotel California"(album) was
1) topically relevant and 2) an example of pure audio bliss.

It sounds *bad* much of the time. The tones are thin and
screechy. It's reasonably well played ( and the drums sound good )
but it's not all that.

That was the first CD I even bought, and I was shocked to find
that it wasn't really any better than the vinyl, which was
really crappy Asylum yuck.

And topically, it's kinda fun for a while, but it's pretentious,
whiny and boring. If it wasn't for the Joe Walsh riffs, it'd
be dull as dishwater. Now iterate this over just about every
reverently-held Klassik Rawk Masterpiece and... you get the
picture.

Like you said... it's
pretty much application of knowledge gained from your mistakes.

Tx MP.

L-

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Well maybe I was generalizing a little....

L-
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