KFC Astroturfing

Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer wrote:

White Spirit wrote:

From where do you get your statistics?

The national Census bureau. And you?

Which proves my point. A census is not a scientific study. You should also be aware that many people falsely present as being vegetarian who eat fish or the occasional chicken.

Oh wait.... you haven't POSTED any statistics. Or facts. Or
anything credible at all.

When you post something scientific, I might be obliged to respond in kind. As an act of kindness, however, I'll post something for you regarding the correlation between meat and cancer at the end of this post.

Truth is all you can do is waive your
arms about, stomp your feet, and screech your "murderer" mantra over

Typical hyperbole - what else should one expect from an anonymous Usenet coward?

and over whilst discarding overwhelming volumes of scientific
evidence so you can make empty claims about the vegan lifestyle
being so much "better".

Anyone can selectively search for something to post that purports to prove their point. I try to avoid playing such games.

By the way, have you conned your SO into a vegetarian diet? Do you
realize YOU may be the murderer here?

*laughs* My girlfriend, being Hindu, is vegetarian of her own volition.

It's unfortunate that she has milk and cheese but at least she doesn't eat eggs.

Sorry about her luck. But look on the bright side..... at least YOU
can't be held responsible for her health problems, or the health
issues she's foisting upon any children she might bear.

She is a most healthy woman, and Indian women on a vegetarian diet are very long-lived.

The numbers don't lie. Vegetarians are markedly sickly. They're
weaker, smaller, and even less potent sexually. The vegetarian
lifestyle is a mental aberration, not evolution.

On the contrary, vegans are much healthier.

"I know you are but what am I!"

A contradiction is not an IKYABWAI. Your desperation is showing.

Seen any good movies lately Pee Wee?

I prefer to watch films.

Do you even HAVE an argument here kiddo, or are you more like one of
those brain dead cult members parroting the rhetoric of your
handlers with the vacant stare of a dairy heifer on your face?

One could say the same about you with your pathetic astroturfing attempt.

Incidentally, you will find that Asian people live for far less on a Western diet that involves meat.

Bull***. More made up lies. More blind "is too!" quacking.

Concerning Asian people's health with a Western diet:

http://www.scientificblogging.com/news_releases/western_diet_causes_heart_attacks_asian_diets_not_so_great_either_so_be_more_prudent
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2007-07/12/content_5433452.htm
http://www.chiphealth.com/topics/diet-00-western-diet-today.html
http://www.nutraingredients.com/Research/Western-diet-raises-heart-disease-risk-new-evidence

Concerning the relationship between meat and cancer, from the following website:

http://www.cancertutor.com/faq/faq_meat.html

For some kinds of cancer, meat eaters (especially red meat) have a higher probability of getting those kinds of cancer, such as colon cancer and prostate cancer. The reason for this is not entirely clear, but may have something to do with too much animal fats or a lack of fiber.
See: http://www.klsdesign.com/anti-ox/healthy-mind-colorectal.html

Meat also uses up the two critical enzymes trypsin and chymotrypsin, which are critical to allowing the immune system to kill cancer cells, though more potent enzymes have now been found. Vegetable proteins do not use up those enzymes.

* "Pancreatin enzymes can be destroyed by contact with acids. Many popular cosmetics that contain acids are a special concern for skin cancer. Also, a diet comprised mostly of refined foods and meats may result in an acidic body chemistry that depletes these enzymes. Cancer cells metabolize foods very inefficiently and generate acidic wastes. This extra acidity can further compound an already bad environment for pancreatin enzymes. The excess acidity also enables the cancer to spread by using acid dissolved normal cells as its food source. I think this strongly acidic environment, especially local to the cancer, is the primary reason that cancer does not normally heal on its own."
Site no longer exists.

Another reason to avoid meat is the accumulation of fecal matter in the colon. The colon should be relatively clear during a cancer treatment so that the body can absorb as many nutrients as possible. "All foods which ferment in the bowel should be avoided. Absolutely no meat or fish!"

Then there are the hormones in meat:

* "Diethylstilbestrol (Des) has been shown by the FDA to cause cancer of the uterus, breast and other reproductive organs. This is an artificial sex hormone widely used in food production. Dangerous residues of stilbestrol are in 85% of all the meat sold in the United States. This is the main reason why 15 countries around the world now refuse to import American meat; 21 nations have a total ban on the use of stilbestrol in food production or processing."
http://www.pathlights.com/nr_encyclopedia/17canc02.htm

And there is more:

* "Nitrosamines cause cancer of the liver, stomach, brain, bladder, kidneys and several other organs. Dr. William Lijinski, of the University of Nebraska, says they are "perfect carcinogens." When chemical preservatives and color enhancers are ingested, they cause the body to produce nitrosamines. Another source is nitrates and nitrites, which are heavily added to meat during processing. Runoff of nitrates and nitrites from fields sprayed with chemical fertilizers get into aquifers and wells and, when the water is drunk, can lead to cancer... Avoid amines (which are in cheese, meat, and unrefrigerated foods). http://www.pathlights.com/nr_encyclopedia/17canc02.htm

Another problem with meat is toxins: "avoid meat (if the digestive system is weak, digestion of meat could produce toxins in blood)."
http://www.boobboutique.com/aboutbreastcancer/alternatives/Issels.htm

* "Avoid meat in all forms. It is dead matter, low in minerals, and produces uric acid in excess which is a waste product. The incidence of cancer is in direct proportion to the amount of animal proteins, particularly meat, in the diet. However it is true that devitalized, processed, and sugared food can also cause cancer—even in vegetarians. But far more often, when cancer strikes, those eating the junk foods are also eating meat. Nations and groups which consume less meat have less cancer. Hospital records show that Seventh-day Adventists, who eat little or no meat, suffer far less from cancer than the average meat-eating American. Dr. Willard J. Visek, research scientist at Cornell University, stated that the high protein diet of Americans is linked to the high incidence of cancer in the U.S. Another cancer physician, who also worked with hundreds of cancer patients, said that anyone who does not eat meat, eats only good food, and does all he can to protect his liver, may never get cancer. Cancer is less a disease than a condition existing in the whole body. Cancer would be almost unheard of if no devitalized food or meats were eaten. Cancer cannot exist where there is a pure bloodstream."
http://www.pathlights.com/nr_encyclopedia/17canc02.htm

Here is another quote on acidity and cancer:

* "The second solution is to introduce the appropriate calciums into the body since the body uses calcium as the chief alkalinizer of all body fluids including the intra-cellular fluids. Remember that cancers and tumors can only exist in a predominantly ACID environment caused by a diet rich in: Diary foods, meats, grain products, sweets and strong condiments such as black pepper. This is always accompanied by an acute lack of living fruits and vegetables (uncooked and non-preserved)."
http://seasilver.threadnet.com/Preventorium/thesis.htm

There are many ramifications to what cows and what other animals eat, because it eventually affects the quality of the meat we eat.

* "Lactobacillus acidophilus is a 'friendly' organism which helps the body fight disease and restore health. Modern research has discovered that acidophilus kills the harmful bacteria strain of E. coli in the intestinal tract. Acidophilus breaks milk sugar down into lactic acid. Bacteria which produce putrefaction and gas in the intestines cannot live in lactic acid. Acidophilus also has the unique ability to help the body synthesize, or manufacture all of the 'B' vitamins in the system. This makes it especially valuable since there is literally a host of agents which destroy B vitamins. A few are antibiotics, birth control pills, eating sugar and refined foods and drinking coffee. A diet high in red meat will destroy the beneficial bacteria, due to the concentration of antibiotics and steroids given to the animals before they are slaughtered."
http://www.all-natural.com/herbnutr.html

Like sugar, meat feeds cancer cells:

* "Cancer is fundamentally involved with mal-utilization of protein. Oncologists generally agree that the actual cause of death in cancer patients is cachexia, a condition of severe weight loss and wasting associated with protein mal-absorption. In fact cancer cells are able to grow by making the amino acids of protein available for their growth at the expense of the body as a whole. Meat, especially red meat, being the most readily assimilable protein, becomes a banquet for cancer cells. Emphasizing the use of plant sources of vegetable protein such as legumes and beans that contain cancer-fighting compounds should be a prominent part of an anti-cancer diet."
http://www.planetherbs.com/articles/cancer.html
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