Re: ASCAP/BMI and open mic night

RichL wrote:
The_Professor <dbid@xxxxxxx> wrote:
On Jan 12, 1:36 am, "Don Evans" <d...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
The Professor wrote:
rct wrote:

When I am in a discussion board and someone
with a bunch of experience is discussing things, I don't
contradict that person and then tell them I don't even know what
I'm talking about. You might want to try that sometime.

I get it. Seems to me all of these boards have a group of
excessively chauvanistic people who think that their particular
viewpoints are somehow some sort of canon. The worst case of this I
have ever met, and I've met more than one of this type, is the
insurance salesman or whatever (some job the guy hates) who is a
sessions player and a few times a year gets called to sit in on
sessions...on and on about playing with so and so and such and
such...and no one knows anything about music of any sort except
him. Never seen a woman with this sort of chauvanism.

I don't see myself misundestanding your assertion that your
unspecified experience makes you some sort of expert, and that
anyone who comes to this board is supposed to somehow kowtow to
you. In any event, I don't see any evidence that you know any more
about these issues than I do, experience or not. If you had signed
a major contract, you would have made a lot of money...that's the
point of it, they hire you to record for them. If they don't pay
you anything significant, or anything at all up front, that fact
speaks for itself.

You have no more reason to believe me than any other guy on this
group, but I gotta say, you need to do more research. Signing with a
major label doesn't guarantee big bucks.

You know nothing of who I am or where my knowledge comes from. If
you can show me I am wrong for a fact, I will acknowledge that.
However to simple state your opinion on something and tell me I'm
supposed to bow down because you have some "experience"; I don't
think so.

No one expects you to "bow down", but maybe you should listen a bit
to figure out who really does know what they're talking about.

FWIW, a lot of those old blues guys simply didn't copyright their
stuff at all, and others just stole it. I could probably dig up
factual cases where some white guy who didn't copyright something,
but had less evidence of ownership than some of the earlier blues
artists did sue and win when people stole their stuff. Nothing
wrong with someone selling a song, that's payment for work done.

Times have changed in that regard, a lot! And one of the reasons for
the change was the outrage at the unfair practices in the early
blues recording times. There have always been, and always will be,
rip offs in the recording industry, but if you educate yourself, and
keep your wits about you, you can avoid many of them.

And in the end, you still have made no comment on the point I made,
that your ASCAP fees go to the big labels that own the rights to
the songs.

AFAIK, in general, publishing companies are the means of
distributing writers money ... labels have no part in it, unless
your label is your publisher. If you own your own publishing
company, then it's up to you to deal with Harry Fox and all, or you
can pay someone to administer your publishing. Frequently writers
give publishers a portion of the royalties as part of their deal,
but they make that decision when they sign.

The notion of the individual songwriter getting his due via
such fees (anything but chump change) is a tad naive. Of course if
from your experience you have data showin that people other than
the big labels get significant money from these fees, I'll retract
that statement and appreciate learning something I didn't
previously know.

There could definitely be a better, more efficient mechanism for
getting the money to the writers of the tunes actually paid, but
IMO, at least, that doesn't mean no money should be paid to the
writer. Of course money gets deducted for the service of collecting,
and you could argue that it's too much, but I can't think of any
comparable industry that doesn't take "too much" from somebody's
point of view.

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I listen, and I respond to what people say. For someone to say to me
that because they play a guitar and maybe I don't, they somehow know
more about a subject like this...or they play better, or they have
played longer...or they have posted to this borad longer...or whateve
rin that vein, is absurd, and limits participation on the board. I
reject it 100%. I have seen very little real information here, just
opinion, and I have no problem with the legitimacy of an opinion that
is different than mine. No way I am going to say my opinion is more
legitimate than someone elses because I play the guitar, or because I
read a lot about music and the music industry, both mags and books,
or because I have first ansd second degree relatives in the
entertainment industry, because I know there are lots of people out
there who follow the media very closely, and have good knowledge in
that area, despite never having played in a band, or played an
instrument.

If you want to think that ASCAP fees result in the writer of music
getting his reward, fine by me. I think the money almost all goes to
the big media companies. I have seen no real information to resolve
the issue and I have no interest in pursuing it any further. I don't
disrespect your view, I just disagree with it. I can disagree with
people on menial things like this without disrespecting them...but if
people take such disagreement as disrespect, that's their problem,
not me...and the disrespect has to go back to them.

Too bad some people have to raise the I play in a band or I've played
a guitar for 87 years and therefore I know everything rhetoric on
this board. Probably does a lot to limit participation by people with
interest in guitar related issues. I ain't gonna repsect that
rhetoric though.

These things are based on fact, not opinion. It's not like talking
about whether Pink Floyd is better than Led Zeppelin.

Guys who have experience have dug into these issues. You obviously
haven't; you're simply spouting anti-industry rhetoric.

Do some actual research, "Professor", before you dig yourself into a
deeper hole.

Pretty much sums it up. Thanks.


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