Re: 2x10 versus 2x12
- From: Jim <jim@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 08:17:02 -0700
L.A. Fryiot <URprobablyDemented@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Squier wrote:You ignored bluesman56. He nailed the issue. :-) mvmLes Cargill <lcargill@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:the 2x10 is open backed and the 2x12 is semi-open
Ok - we played a few places over the holiday weekendIs 1) the 2X12 closed back and 2) the 2X10 open back?
(here in US it was Labor Day holiday weekend)
and so the first place was small club and I brought
the mark iii and the 2x10. I thought it was more than
enough for the place. But NO! The 2x10 just washed out.
Yeah we played well and I just played through it and just
chalked it up to experience.
The other 2 nights I brought the 2x12 and it made a big difference.
We also played a private party and the 2x12 was perfect once again.
It is not so much a volume issue (the 2x10 being driven my the
mark iii head puts out a lot of volume - but it just doesn't seem
to cut as well or sit in the mix as well. Not sure why because
in band practice in a big basement it sounds fine).
The 2x12 obviously can put out slightly more volume but
the thing is that it can just punch better and sit down in
the mix better. It's not a volume issue really just a 'girth'
or just better presence tonally. We are not playing death metal
or dropped D or anything like that - it's just the 2x12 sounds a lot
better and will now be my all around cab to use.
I use to really like the 2x10 - it's very portable and sounds good
but after this weekend I am kinda leery of bringing it out to play
in slightly bigger clubs and of course anything outdoors.
So for now the 2x10 is on hiatus and the 2x12 is the #1 cab.
Now I am not knocking Vibrolux users out there - that is one
incredible sounding amp (2x10) but maybe there is a difference
because the mark iii with the 2x10 is a washout. With the 2x12
it's a completely different (for the better) sounding rig.
ok. just wanted to spout off a bit. I don't think I will be
necessary recommending 2x10 rigs anymore for general cover work.
If so, there is your principal difference. And
you'll end up like me - the 2X12 is the Constant,
everything else floats in and out around it.
(the 2x12 has a 'convertible' back which lets you
add or remove back panels) So imagine an open back
cab but where the middle would be open I have
the back installed there which only leaves a little
opening across the top of the back about 2 inches wide.
So it's mostly a closed back. (if this makes sense).
The 2x10 is your classic open back design.
Never thought how much of a difference overall this would make
but come to think of it - I guess it really does.
I think (it might sound silly) but that little 2 inch
opening across the back of the 2x12 gives it just enough
opening to let some of the mids or high mids come out
and swirl around a bit without being overly directional.
hmmm. thanks for that mention there.
I thanked him for the comments but that's not the issue (out of phase).
I am running a Mesa/Boogie Mark III head with a separate 2x10 cab.
So the speakers aren't out of phase. (in a different setup such as
perhaps a 2x10 combo where each speaker runs to a separate speaker out
on the amp's back panel then maybe this could have been an issue).
But anyways the out of phase is not an issue with my setup.
Unless the speakers are wired out of phase with each other. Not impossible. My first Hiwatt 4x12 came wired with one speaker out of phase (bought used, so who knows who was the culprit).
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